shanew Registered User
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I’ve posted a few details in reply before, but just to make to lookup offer official… I can check various Dublin Directories, mostly Thom’s from 1848 to the mid 20th Century which include Street and Trade Index listings for Dublin city and county. The Street listings for the city can also help locate exactly where a particular address was located (in conjunction with historic and modern maps) – e.g. see image from the 1865 listing below, showing numbers 2 to 6 running south on the east side of Grafton street between the junctions with Nassau St. and Adam Court.

As well as Dublin city Thom’s includes listings for various towns in county Dublin, and also Bray / Little Bray. The listings are often not as detailed as the listings for the city, e.g. street listings only show for larger towns. As a sample see images and some transcripts from the County Dublin section of Thom’s 1848 here

Not everyone is listed in these directories, e.g. you will not usually see a listing for someone that was a labourer or living in a tenement or small cottage, and in addition not all the streets are included so while there’s a full listing for ‘important’ streets like Grafton Street, smaller side streets and lanes often are only mentioned as a junction off a main street or a listing similar to ‘seven houses in tenements’ or ’24 small cottages’. The later directories include more names and streets – e.g. Thom’s 1943 is more than three times the volume of the 1848 edition.

Also included in Thom’s are other sections covering lists of names and residences for all of Ireland of Priests/Ministers (CofI, RC, Presbyterian, Methodist etc), Magistrates, Attorney/Solicitors, Barristers, Medical Practitioners etc, and also officials (boards of PLUs, registrars, Medical Officers & Registrars etc) for Municipal Towns, Boroughs and Counties.

Other directories I can check include Pettigrew & Oulton 1834 & 1840 (see images for the street listing for these here ), and several Watson / Treble Almanacks between 1783 and 1829.


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Hermy Registered User
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That's a very generous offer Shane. And thanks also for providing access to the Pettigrew & Oulton Directory's which have proved most useful.

To get the ball rolling if I may...

Would you be able to tell me what year Cornelius Pelly is first listed at 64 Harcourt Street? I know he resided there from the early 1870's but I'm curious to know what year.

shanew Registered User
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Hermy said:
....Would you be able to tell me what year Cornelius Pelly is first listed at 64 Harcourt Street? I know he resided there from the early 1870's but I'm curious to know what year.


Starting with the 1869 listing and working 'forward'....

1869 : Street listing shows, 64 Harcourt St., T. M. Brownrigg esq., Asst. Insp. Gen. of Constabulary. Cornelius Pelly in the index as Poor Law Auditor, Custom House and Gt. Georges St. North

1872 : Street listing shows, 64 Harcourt St., vacant
Cornelius Pelly in the index as Poor Law Auditor, Custom House - no residence mentioned.

1877 : Index shows Cornelius Pelly esq., auditor Local Government Board, Custom House, with residences at 64 Harcourt Street and Rathduane Co. Cork.

so looks like he acquired the Harcourt Street residence sometime between 1872 and 1877. (Rathduane townland seems to be located near to Millstreet town)

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Hermy Registered User
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That's interesting and many thanks.
I was aware of his address at Rathduane - and you're right, it's close to Millstreet - but I didn't know of the address at Georges Street.
Could I be rude and ask a similar question of his sister-in-law Mary Frances Pelly who moved into 56 Harcourt Street around the same time. She was previously at 52 Camden Street and again I'm curious to know when she moved. I'm guessing it was after her husband James died in 1878.

shanew Registered User
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Hermy said:
........a similar question of his sister-in-law Mary Frances Pelly who moved into 56 Harcourt Street around the same time. She was previously at 52 Camden Street and again I'm curious to know when she moved. I'm guessing it was after her husband James died in 1878.


no luck with Mary so far... maybe she was not the primary householder...

1877 : 52 Camden Street Lwr, Daniel O'Dwyer, surgeon
(there's no 52 on Camden St. Upr.)
56 Harcourt Street, vacant

1879 : 52 Camden Street Lwr, Daniel O'Dwyer, surgeon
56 Harcourt Street John Butler, German collage
" Madame Butler, prof. of languages
There's a Mrs. C.R. Pelly listed in the index at Charlemount Tce. Kingstown in 1879 - could this be her ?

1885 : 52 Camden Street Lwr, Daniel O'Dwyer, surgeon
56 Harcourt Street, Burke Gaffney, medical tutor and lecturer on Anatomy, Ledwich School

1891 : 52 Camden Street Lwr, Joseph P. Brooke Kelly, (surgeon/physician)
56 Harcourt Street, Miss M.M. Norris, Organiser of National Schools
" W.R. Norris, M.B. R.Ch.
" E. Bolton Norris esq

There doesn't seem to be any sign of Cornelius at any address on Gt. Georges St. North in the 1872 street listing.

p.s. I checked for James in the 1877 listing but there's no sign of him in Dublin trades index... what was his occupation ?

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shanew Registered User
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see 1865 and 1873 Pelley/Thompson baptisms with that Lr. Camden Street address. Daniel Dwyer the surgeon is the the head of household in the listing for both those years.

Looks like your James and Mary rented from him, so probably not possible to trace them using directories, unless James has an occupation that specifically listed - e.g. M.D., Solicitor etc

p.s. sometimes several 'heads of household' or businesses are listed for each address, but this address just shows the one name through to the 1890s

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googled eyes Registered User
#7

Very generous of you Shane. You've helped me in the past. So thanks in advance of ever taking up the offer again

Hermy Registered User
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Great work Shane - sorry I'm late getting back to you.

I know from some previous work I did using the incomplete set of Thom's in Tallaght library that Mary Frances is listed from 1900 onwards at 56. Her husband James was a doctor with addresses in Eyrecourt, Co. Galway and Harcourt Street, Dublin when they married in 1864. He died in 1878.

Dr. O'Dwyer was the second husband of Mary Frances' mother Catherine and both he and Catherine died in 1891.

Interestingly Hosea Guinness was a previous occupier of 52.

EDIT: Dr. James address was Eyrecourt - not Harcourt.

Hermy Registered User
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shanew said:
There's a Mrs. C.R. Pelly listed in the index at Charlemount Tce. Kingstown in 1879 - could this be her ?


At a guess I'd say that C. R. refers to Louisa, the wife of the [then] late Charles Raymond Pelly who is a very distant relative of my Pelly's, their common ancestor being William Pelly from Poole, Dorset b. 1593 d. 1637. My Pelly's are descended from William's son Peter who allegedly came to Ireland on the run for sheep rustling, then a capital crime in England!

shanew Registered User
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Hermy said:
..Her husband James was a doctor with addresses in Eyrecourt, Co. Galway and Harcourt Street, Dublin when they married in 1864. He died in 1878.....Dr. O'Dwyer was the second husband of Mary Frances' mother Catherine and both he and Catherine died in 1891.

....I know from some previous work I did using the incomplete set of Thom's in Tallaght library that Mary Frances is listed from 1900 onwards at 56. ....


looks like maybe Frances went home to her mother for the births of her children...

1894 :
56 Harcourt St., Mrs. Frances Pelly
" Albert E. Wynne, Physician & Surgeon


1899 :
56 Harcourt St., Mrs. Frances Pelly


Number 56 was on the west side of Harcourt Street 2nd down from the junction with Harcourt Road.

In case it's of interest earlier Thom's (1870s) show a second Pelly M.D. in addition to James - a Patrick U. Pelly with an address at 51 York St. Dublin

Hermy Registered User
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shanew said:
looks like maybe Francis went home to her mother for the births of her children...

1894 :
56 Harcourt St., Mrs. Frances Pelly
" Albert E. Wynne, Physician & Surgeon


1899 :
56 Harcourt St., Mrs. Frances Pelly

Not sure about that. From my own records some children were born in Eyrecourt and some in Camden Street. This would have been before the move to Harcourt Street which I'm presuming happened after the death of her mother and step-father.

Number 56 was on the west side of Harcourt Street 2nd down from the junction with Harcourt Road.

Spot on. Some photos here from a previous thread in the Dublin City forum.
In case it's of interest earlier Thom's (1870s) show a second Pelly M.D. in addition to James - a Patrick U. Pelly with an address at 51 York St. Dublin


That is interesting although I can't link the letter U with anyone.

shanew Registered User
#12

preview of the 'Trades & Merchants' section from Watson's 1783 Almanac for Dublin (city). see : http://www.swilson.info/wat1783.php

The list is alphabetical by surname, with trade/occupation and address.

I've started transcribing this so that the details will eventually be searchable, by name, street, trade etc, but it's slow going as the initial OCR pass had a hard time with the text, and the double ss etc

I'm working on an issue with the initial zoom on some setups, but should be possible to zoom in if the image starts off too small.. (this should be fixed now..)

mod9maple Registered User
#13

V good website. I love your townland explorer and ICA list especially.

Hermy Registered User
#14

Another one for you Shane if you don't mind.
I'm trying to identify the husband of Mary Monks of Convent Road, Dalkey who presumably died before the 1901 Census and wondering if the Thom's might give a clue.
I think this might be her death in 1906.

shanew Registered User
#15

Thom's 1894 lists Convent Road, Dalkey - no. 7 listed as 'Mrs. Monks'

will check some earlier dates later..

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