Getting fourth for us would be a huge acheivement. It's far less of one for Arsenal given they've been in it for about 15 years.
Everyone loves stats so here is (drum roll) "The season in numbers"
Points total 61 (average ppg of 1.61) Best month March 3 wins 1 defeat ppg 2.25
WIN 16 (42%)-------9----7
DRAW 13 (34%)-----6----7
LOSS 9 (24%)-------4----5
Total 71---Home 33/Away 38 (best away total in LFC PL history)
Total 43---Home 16/Away 27
Failed to score 8 games
Average 3.00 goals per game
Biggest win Newcastle 0 - 6 Liverpool
Biggest defeat West Brom 3 - 0 Liverpool
10 games with victory by 2 goals or more
6 games with defeats by 2 goals or more
Under 2.5 gls ----34%-----47%---21%
Over 2.5 gls -----66%-----53%---79%
Clean sheets 16 games (42%)
Longest undefeated runs - 8 games, twice 29/09/12 to 25/11/12 and 31/03/13 to 19/05/13
Longest run without win 5 games 18/08/12 to 23/09/12
Victories - Norwich, Fulham, Wigan
Draws - Manchester City, Everton, Chelsea
Defeats - West Brom, Manchester Utd,
Shots on goal 10.03 (highest in league)
Shots wide 7.50 (highest in league)
Fouls 9.92 (14th in league)
Corners 7.50 (highest in league)
Possession 53.41 (7th in league, yes only 7th!)
12 different goal scorers
Yeah i think this is Lloyds point in fairness. Its a brilliant achievement to get 4th. Everyone one of us would be over the moon and so would the team, management etc. But I would prefer to see a lower key celebration...as in yes job done now lets kick on. Fergie/Roy Keane mentality - dont settle.
And it was all going so well...
Do we really think we didn't celebrate wildly after beating Charlton in May 2001 to qualify for the Champions League?
57% according to the official site.
But BR might be massaging those stats (And Joe Allen's)
The notion of not celebrating qualifying for the CL on the final day of the season, especially after the run Arsenal had, I don't understand.
There was a team that outperformed the entire league for the last 10 games and just scraped in by a point. They have every right to be delighted.
Fair enough if they were chasing 1st and slipped down to 4th, you wouldn't expect them to celebrate, but that quite obviously wasn't the scenario. Doesn't mean that they don't have the ambition to challenge next season.
Its a bit like saying that Hull shouldn't have celebrated direct promotion to the PL because they didn't win the Championship. Its all about perspective.
I think having a few old heads around to calm everyone down will be required if we do indeed get CL next year.
A case of, look we haven't won anything yet, we need to make sure that this is a perquisite.
3rd is the lowest they've fallen in the last 20 years or so.
I think people are overestimating the Fergie factor, or perhaps misjudging it.
Ferguson's main strength was arguably his squad building - that squad is still there.
If Moyes is as bad as many are saying then it will not be until 3 or 4 years from now that this truly manifests (in terms of possibly dropping towards 4th or lower).
For me United are the most known quantity of the 3.
I would have more questions about City who have finished this season with the form of a team not good enough to get into the top 4, and who have a new (still unknown) manager coming in and very unpredictable owners.
Also, while I tip Chelsea to really push on next season, they only actually mathematically qualified for the CL on the last day of the season, and came 6th the year before, so you would have to see them as a more likely drop out than United.
It would be a remarkable turnaround, a fail of epic proportions for Moyes not to get top 4 next season, a 15-20 point drop. I don't see it.
People were no doubt saying the same when Clough replaced Revie at Leeds, when Santini replaced Roux, or when Sounes replaced Kenny. It's a delicate time for United, and there's no guarantee that it will work out.
I had one of these when I was a kid
Ah no not at all. Im just interested to see if the people who dont like our current regime see any positives. We've had the other argument in detail numerous times and while i havent always agreed with their points they raise interesting questions at times so just interested to hear a different slant (if any).
Sterling assault charge dropped.
If you come fourth next season, you'll sh1t yourself with happiness.
No surprise there.