Geomy Registered User
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Torakx Registered User
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Im guessing I will not be changed much by the experience, but it does sound fun to watch.
Thanks
I look forward to a discussion on the ins and outs of this theory.
Alot of Ct's branching off this general idea.
Aliens,evolution,the bible,massive blocks moved.
Not sure about the human like footprint beside the dinosaur footprint, im guessing there is a simple explanation for that.
How and when both prints were made on soft material im not sure.
I do know you cant carbon date a carving or footprint, only the rock itself.
Or at least that is what I have been lead to believe.

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Geomy Registered User
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I was working near a few Brazilian guys doing stone work one day on a farm near
a neolithic site and they were digging and the next thing they dug something up
which was cut stone.

They were amazed because they reckoned there wasn't the tools to cut the
stone into the shape it was the said the cut was too perfect almost at a perfect
right angle even todays tools would crack the limestone or dinge it
They showed the slab to someone who was into archaeology he said he will take it
away to get it checked out...

A week later no sign of the stone 2 weeks later we were told the stone never existed
he just told us to forget about it....

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I find this an interesting subject. More please.
I remember reading some Graham Hancock books on undersea archaeology. It seems that archaeologists are quite set in their ways. The notion of someone intelligent around a little too long ago just doesn't seem to wash.
What will people say in 20,000 years time? That we didn't exist?


Actually yes, that's exactly what they'll say!

Why?
Why do we do that?

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Geomy Registered User
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shedweller said:
I find this an interesting subject. More please.
I remember reading some Graham Hancock books on undersea archaeology. It seems that archaeologists are quite set in their ways. The notion of someone intelligent around a little too long ago just doesn't seem to wash.
What will people say in 20,000 years time? That we didn't exist?


Actually yes, that's exactly what they'll say!

Why?
Why do we do that?


Aswell as that, the last thing the land owner needed was people walking through his lands,falling over and putting in claims etc

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shedweller said:
The notion of someone intelligent around a little too long ago just doesn't seem to wash.


This should interest you so
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skara_Brae

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I was thinking about gobleki tepe when a something occurred to me those pillars look like

Tau Crosses



Göbekli Tepe

These crosses are ancient symbols across the world .they are also very important symbols in Freemasonary /Christiianity ..

The Tau (or T-shaped) Cross:
Hopi-Maya-Egyptian Connections

It is interesting to note that when Moses entered the Sinai desert, he found the Midianite tribe (also called the Kenites) wearing the T-shape on their foreheads. This sign, which represented their god of storms (bringing water) and war (thunder), later became known as the "Yahweh Mark."

Much later Jesus may well have been crucified on a Tau or St. Anthony's cross rather instead of on the Latin cross we think of today, though this will probably be forever debated.

In his classic book Atlantis: the Antediluvian World, Ignatius Donnelly states that tau was an important icon signifying "hidden wisdom" for Mexicans as well as for Peruvians, Egyptians, Phoenicians, and Chaldeans. In general, it was emblematic of rejuvenation, freedom from physical suffering, hope, immortality, and divine unity.

Thus we have seen how many cultures associate the T-shape with burgeoning new life, the rising sun, psycho-spiritual journeying, and ultimate resurrection. Sometimes the simplest symbols contain the deepest meanings.



http://www.theorionzone.com/t_shape.htm


The Cross of Tau is also called the Tau Cross, St. Anthony's Cross, the Old Testament Cross, the Anticipatory Cross, the Cross Commissee, the Egyptian Cross, the Advent Cross, Croce taumata, "Saint Francis's Cross" or the Crux Commissa. Hence, this cross is often used during the Advent season. It also appears on the arms of the ancient de Lemos clan of Spain and Portugal, which according to family sites also represents a meeting place and the balance of justice and trade.

As with Christianity, other ancient societies who used the "Tau" symbol also expanded upon its symbolism to include life, resurrection, reincarnation, and blood sacrifice.[citation needed] These crosses are rare, and only a few are left in the world


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_of_Tau

Done a bit of searching for pictures the only palce I could find them represented in stone is gobleki tepe and one other place Ireland

That got me thinking about Michael Tsarion and his theory about The Irish origins of civilization
I watched the video a long time ago as far as I can remember he maintained that ancient Irish Druids/priests travelled west to east bringing their knowledge with them after the deluge/flood



I think I will have to watch it again when I get a few hours to spare

Tau Crosses in Ireland




Tory Island Tau Cross

This is probably one of the most recognisable images of Tory. The cross, made of one piece of mica slate, 1.9m/6' 3" high and 1.1m/3' 6" wide, stands beside the pier and dates from the 6th century or perhaps earlier. The cross is of great imporance to the people of the island and many fishermen still pray at it before setting off to sea.

As we have said, the Tau Cross on tory is made of mica slate which is not found on Tory. Mica was used in ancient Egypt and the Tau Cross shape was used by the Coptic Christians, who came from Egypt. The link here is in connection with Killybegs on mainland Donegal where there is a Holy Well set on a hill just outside the town. The well is called St. Catherine's Well. The St. Catherine it is named for is St. Catherine of Alexandria (in Egypt). The well was founded by three men (holy men or scholars it is thought) many centuries ago and the story goes that they hit very stormy waters and prayed to reach safe land. They prayed to St. Catherine and promised that if she saved them and they made it to land, they would found a Holy Well in her name. They did land safely, washed up at Killybegs and founded St. Catherine's Well. So, we don't know how the Tau Cross got to Tory or where it came from but there are some interesting links between areas of Donegal and Egypt


http://www.welovedonegal.com/islands-tory-island.html

Or is it possible that the cross was brought from ancient Egypt by princess Scotia or her husband the Pharoah
Could they have brought it to show the people of ireland that they were familiar with their ancient people and their knowledge that they learned from the druids.
Could Tsarion be onto something did anciet Irish travel across Europe 1000,s of years ago did they settle in turkey and form a base there and set up Gobleki tepe as temples using the tau cross Did they leave under some kind of threat and decided to cover up their temples and head on to egypt and teach their ways to the egyptians

According to several references in medieval Irish mythology Scotia, wife of the former Milesius and mother of six sons, was killed in battle with the legendary Tuatha Dé Danann on the nearby Slieve Mish mountain. Scotia had come to Ireland in 1,700BC, [3]to avenge the death of her husband, the King who had been wounded in a previous ambush in south Kerry

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotia%27s_Grave



Tau Cross formerly at Kilnaboy, Co.Clare.



St Begnet's Church .Dalkey


Freemasonry

There are three distinct forms of the cross. The first is called the TAU (more correctly the TAV). It closely resembles the modern letter T, consisting of a horizontal bar resting on a vertical column, the two arms being of equal length. An oak tree cut off some feet above the ground and its upper part laid across the lower in this form was the symbol of the Druid god Hu. It is suspected that this symbol originated among the Egyptians from the spread of the horns of a bull or ram (Taurus or Aries) and the vertical line of its face. This is sometimes designated as the hammer cross, because if held by its vertical base it is not unlike a mallet or gavel. In one of the Qabbalistic Masonic legends, CHiram Abiff is given a hammer in the form of a TAU by his ancestor, Tubal-cain. The TAU cross is preserved to modern Masonry under the symbol of the T square. This appears to be the oldest form of the cross extant.

The TAU cross was inscribed on the forehead of every person admitted into the Mysteries of Mithras. When a king was initiated into the Egyptian Mysteries, the TAU was placed against his lips. It was tattooed upon the bodies of the candidates in some of the American Indian Mysteries. To the Qabbalist, the TAU stood for heaven and the Pythagorean tetractys. The Caduceus of Hermes was an outgrowth of the TAU cross. (See Albert Pike.)

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/secret_teachings/sta45.htm


It will thus be seen that the jewel of the R.A., far from being a mere ornament, contains in itself a summary of the sublime teachings of that degree; the more so as it also has a triple tau. With regard to the tau cross, we have already shown in our earlier handbooks that in its origin it was a Phallic symbol representing the Creative power. We shall remember also that we make a tau cross every time we receive the S.s in the Craft Degrees. Thus the M.M. has himself made the triple tau. It is also worth reminding our readers that only those who have passed the chair and actually ruled a Lodge are entitled to wear three tau crosses on their aprons


http://www.mastermason.com/luxocculta/higher.htm

This enigmatic symbol of Egypt represents in its simplest interpretation ‘eternal life’ and was often found in the names of Pharaoh’s such as the infamous Tut-ankh-amun. The symbol is often depicted being held by a god to a Pharaoh, giving him life, or held by a Pharaoh to his people, giving them life – this basically set aside the immortals, from the mortals, for anyone wearing or carrying the Ankh had gained or hoped to gain immortality. Those holding the ankh were the great magicians, the ones capable of altering reality - they had the power of the Otherworld through the device, which symbolised the access to the Otherworld. So what elements of this ankh give it this special power?

The Ankh is technically known as the Crux Ansata. It is a simple T-Cross, surmounted by an oval – called the Ru. The Ru is often seen as the portal or gateway to another dimension such as heaven, in essence, the Otherworld. The ankh therefore becomes the symbol of transition from one plain to another. It outlived Egyptian domination and was widely used by the Christians as their first cross, but in this symbol holds a clue to the secret of the serpent

http://www.thetemplebooklet.co.uk/The%20Cross%20of%20the%20Templars.htm





Tripple tau cross Sheffield Cathederal (lots of masonic carvings on the pews)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/evissa/sets/72157603736127146/with/2195219803/

Including swastikas which also come up when you search for pictures of the Tau Cross


Christianity

St. Francis of Assisi (Italian: Francesco d'Assisi, born Giovanni di Bernardone; 1181/1182 – October 3, 1226)[2] was an Italian Catholic friar and preacher. He founded the men's Franciscan Order, the women’s Order of St. Clare, and the Third Order of Saint Francis for men and women not able to live the lives of itinerant preachers followed by the early members of the Order of Friars Minor or the monastic lives of the Poor Clares.[3] Though he was never ordained to the Catholic priesthood, Francis is one of the most venerated religious figures in history


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_of_Assisi



Heresy and the Inquisition. Cathar Beliefs

Some Catholics retained the Essene lifestyle while otherwise conforming. Canon 8 of the Nicene Council of 325 concerned “those who call themselves Cathari”. Canon 19 concerns “the Paulianists”. For established Christianity, the Ebionite-like or Nazarene-like Christians were a nuisance, but they persisted to become the earliest declared heretics

http://www.askwhy.co.uk/christianheresy/0810Inquisition.php



Cathar Coin showing Ankh-like Tau Cross

The franciscan order and Nazis (search for tau cross pictures brings up swastikas also )

Very revealing as to the utter fanaticism that gripped the Roman Catholic Church in Croatia during these early days of the war and the infant Croatian state, is this excerpt from the diocesan newspaper of the archdiocese of Sarajevo: "Until now, God spoke through papal encyclicals. And? They closed their ears... Now God has decided to use other methods. He will prepare missions. European missions. World missions. They will be upheld not by priests, but by army commanders. The sermons will be heard with the help of cannons, machine guns, tanks and bombers." The Ustasi were known to have publicly taken oaths in the Catholic churches, pledging to work for the eradication of the Serbs and Orthodoxy. Especially militant and very prominent in the Ustasi were members of the Franciscan Order. Immediately after the proclamation of the Ustasi state, the Croatian primate, Archbishop Alojzije Stepinac of Zagreb, gave his blessing in the name of the Roman Church to the Croatian state and established "close collaboration." (It should be pointed out, however, that the Croatian Catholic Church was, at least officially, speaking for itself at that time. The procedure for obtaining recognition by the Vatican was in full progress, but officially the Vatican still recognized the Kingdom of Yugoslavia and had diplomatic relations with the government-in-exile. In short, the Vatican gave de facto recognition to the Ustasi regime, together will full diplomatic protocol at state occasions, though never official recognition.)


On May 8, 1941, the infamous martyrdom of the Serbs of the Glina region began. The Ustasi began by killing seven Serbs. In the short time that followed, they arrested and murdered 560 people from that region. Then on May 11 a train carrying 120 Serbs stopped at Glina. They were then removed to the courtyard of a local Jewish merchant, where a number of them were killed, and the rest taken to an unknown destination.

On May 4, the Orthodox bishop of Banja Luka, Platon, was ordered by the Ustasi to leave town immediately. He then appealed to the local Catholic bishop to intercede with the authorities to grant him several days to prepare. The Catholic bishop gave him his word, but during the night six Ustasi terrorists came and arrested the hierarch. Then, together with Father Dugan Subotic, he was led some six kilometers away to the village of Vrbanja, where they were all killed. Their bodies revealed how they had been tortured. They were shaved with a blunt knife, their eyes were put out, their ears and noses cut off, and fires were lit on their chests. Their remains were found in the Vrbanja river on May 23



http://orthodoxinfo.com/ecumenism/serbian_newmartyrs.aspx

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Much later Jesus may well have been crucified on a Tau or St. Anthony's cross rather instead of on the Latin cross we think of today, though this will probably be forever debated.


Its called the "crux commissa". The Christian cross we know today only started to appear as a symbol around the time of Constantine. The Mormons maintain that Jesus was crucified on a "crux simplex" which is basically a tree or a pole.
Either would have been simpler to construct. Early Christians most likely didn't use the cross as an icon. The first 200 years don't seem to feature crosses in the art work at all.

After circles, crosses are one of the first images drawn by children from all cultures. Not until 5 or 6 do children begin to draw culturally specific items.
I wonder how many Neolithic sites like Gobleki Tepe contain circles in their art work also.

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Torakx Registered User
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Jehovah's Witnesses also do not believe Jesus was set on a cross.
They insist it was a pole as was apparently customary around that time for criminals etc.

Interesting research there enno99.
I have seen al Tsarions stuff or at least all his first series of lectures.
It was pretty interesting at he time,but also very heavy going if your not really interested in the topic.
At the time i was alsoaware he may of had agendas too, so I took it allwith a pinch of salt.
I probably dont have time or the will to go back over it, but if you do, I would love to hear your conclusions.

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Yea the Forbidden Archaeology stuff interests me too. Even looking at the full on above board official archaeology there is evidence of it. Look at the Americas and the peopling of same. For soooo long the Clovis culture was the first(tm) and this was written in stone(no pun). Even now when clear and peer reviewed evidence of pre Clovis people has shown up many in the scientific community still hold to the idea. The peopling of the Americas can get real political. Understandably considering how the native folks ended up getting fcuked over. There are some sites in that neck of the woods that may show earlier non modern humans may have got there waaaay before us. Wouldn't shock me TBH. Homo erectus made Australian backpackers look like homebodies. They got everywhere, even to islands in the middle of nowhere that required boats/rafts to get there. Yet they never made it to the Americas? Maybe, but I'm not so sure.

Another one was the single out of Africa model for modern humanity. That got real bitter at times(even accused the miltiregionalists of being racists. For no good reason, but always sure to cause an emotive response) when others questioned the notion and showed evidence in the bones and stones that it was more complex than that. More recent gentic evidence that proves we got jiggy with other humans outside of Africa has been welcomed but not universally and there is still the smell of "we're hoping to disprove it" going on.

Closer to home, I recko their is evidence out there of paleolithic non modern humans. We've not found it yet, but it's there, somewhere. If lads and lasses where in the UK a million years ago, yet we're told humans first made it here 11,000 years ago? I say GTFO.

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Interesting topic. I see it more as gaps in knowledge than a planned, conspired cover up though.

enno99 Registered User
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Torakx said:
Jehovah's Witnesses also do not believe Jesus was set on a cross.
They insist it was a pole as was apparently customary around that time for criminals etc.

Interesting research there enno99.
I have seen al Tsarions stuff or at least all his first series of lectures.
It was pretty interesting at he time,but also very heavy going if your not really interested in the topic.
At the time i was alsoaware he may of had agendas too, so I took it allwith a pinch of salt.
I probably dont have time or the will to go back over it, but if you do, I would love to hear your conclusions.


LOL I know what you mean the last time I tackled it I thought my head would melt
I agree most of what you you come across on these kind of subjects should be taken with a good pinch of salt
It would be interesting to see if the carvings at Gobleki Tepe could be linked to ancient celts/druids
like you said earlier this topic runs across all the CT spectrum
UFO sightings like Rendelsham forest witness getting coordinates that turn out to be for Hy Brasil a mythical Island of the coast of Ireland
also that Island been shown on an ancient map

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studiorat said:
Its called the "crux commissa". The Christian cross we know today only started to appear as a symbol around the time of Constantine. The Mormons maintain that Jesus was crucified on a "crux simplex" which is basically a tree or a pole.
Either would have been simpler to construct. Early Christians most likely didn't use the cross as an icon. The first 200 years don't seem to feature crosses in the art work at all.

After circles, crosses are one of the first images drawn by children from all cultures. Not until 5 or 6 do children begin to draw culturally specific items.
I wonder how many Neolithic sites like Gobleki Tepe contain circles in their art work also.


Yea I think early christian symbols were a Fish and the anchor (which would contain the cross ) I dont really know a lot about symbolism except that it seems to be important in lots of cults religions freemasonry etc
As for publicising them Maybe getting fed to lions would put a damper on that
Gobleki Tepe was constructed in circles but the symbols were more elaborate depicting animals spiders domestic birds

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Tau cross on tory Island




Cathar coin

I cant seem to load these images in the other post ?

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The gifts of the animals

We discover the special qualities and gifts which these animals offer through experience – through exploring the world of animals and relating to them out in nature, and through interacting with them in the Otherworld too. The Ovate work in particular is focused on learning how to do this. But in addition to personal experience, we can also learn from the accumulated experience of our ancestors by studying traditional animal lore, and just as certain trees are associated in the Druid tradition with particular qualities, so certain animals have been found to mediate particular attributes too. For example: the bear, boar, cat, dog, goose, otter and raven are all associated with the quality of protection; the adder, boar, dog, frog, ram and raven are connected with healing; the owl and raven with initiation, and so on. When we need the qualities or abilities that these animals represent, we can call upon them to help us – seeing and relating to them in our inner world, dancing or singing with them, and connecting with them in the outer world too.

http://www.druidry.org/druid-way/teaching-and-practice/druid-animal-lore


The relief’s (carvings) on the pillars include foxes, lions, cattle, wild boars, herons, ducks, scorpions, ants and snakes. Some of the relief’s had been deliberately erased, maybe in preparation for new pictures. There are freestanding sculptures as well, that may represent wild boars or foxes. Comparable statues have been discovered in Nevalı Çori and Nahal Hemar.

http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Anatolia_Turkey.htm

lots of the same animals deemed important by Druids and whoever built Gobleki tepe

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