Would it be fair to say the whole Jamaican athletic team are doping because they don't have proper testing?
That's what you are doing with Spanish soccer teams except there has been proof of Jamaican cheating.
What do you expect journalists to say without any evidence?
You cast aspersions over Real Madrid and Barcelona with little to back it up, if the same was done to any athlete you'd defend them. There's your double standards.
When the Jamaican athletics team try to hire the godfather of doping as their team doctor, then I will say the same. When a national french newspaper (one which wouldn't go making this stuff up or risk having their reputation ruined) reports that they have seen the doping programmes of bolt/powell/blake, then i will apply the same opinion to them. When the jamaican athletics team is coached by someone who tested positive himself during his own career, then I'll hold them to the same standard. When the jamaican athletes are seen visiting the offices of the greatest doping doctor in the last decade, then by all means I'll lambast them. Until then, though, you are actually the one with the theory backed up by nothing at all but your own hunch. And by the way, I never said all of the teams and all of the players are doping, just that many teams and many players are. <Snip>
I'm not saying I believe the Jamaican team are doping nor the Spanish teams are clean.
I'm saying there's about the same level of proof. The Jamaican team doctor is in charge of drug testing. Numerous Jamaicans have been caught cheating before, the improvement of Jamaican athletes to the highest level at the same time, the never seen before times some of them are running.
Operation Puerto was 5/6 years ago but you are casting aspersions on present players. What proof do you have? About as much as someone suspecting current Jamaicans. You hate the 'ah sure they're all at it' attitude but you do it yourself.
My sport of choice would be GAA, I know there is drug use in it (not to a big scale) and if a player tested positive I'd say ban them for life, not go pointing fingers at other sports.
You have missed my point. In my opinion the BOAs attempts at lifetime bans were correct because there is some evidence that an athlete finds it more difficult to break new ground than to run times already run. That means that drug aided PBs offer an athlete a permanent advantage. There is also some strong evidence that anabolic steroids cause permanent adaptions in muscles.
Your opinion seems to be that WADA's rules are always correct therefore the BOAs position are incorrect as they are both in conflict. I agree with the BOA implication that WADA are not infallable in general and that the 2 year ban is incorrect in principle.
If there are advantages to doping after 2 years then doping athletes are gaining an advantage under WADA rules. Ergo they are incorrect in their method of achieving their primary task of punishing drug cheats. The correct term of punishment should cover the duration of gains from drugs used by doping athletes and that would seem to mean a liifetime ban.
For athletics, I strongly believe a permanent life ban across the sport should be put in place. No exception and no excuses. As it stands, the potential rewards massively outweigh the punishments if you get caught so this needs to change.
While 4 and a half years old, this article hits the nail on the head about doping in football:
Probably the best written post on boards so far this year. Bang on the money. Anybody who thinks football and rugby are clean sports are completely naive.
I can't wait to see Dwain Chambers and David Millar back. There's no place no life bans- both athletes will have an asterisk next to their names no matter what they go on to do from now on. The real sanctions should be on the coaches and doctors. Both Chambers and Millar have gone into some detail about the pressures they were under to dope.
For me the best we can hope for is a testing protocol that gives nondopers a chance to compete, and keeps the sport interesting for spectators. <Snip> The blood passport has gone a long way in cycling (though could go further) and should be brought in in athletics as soon as possible.
It's interesting as well that even in a sport as dirty and lucrative as athletics, with records kept on the books from admitted cheats, there are still areas where fans get defensive and amazing performances are accepted without question. I'm thinking of African distance performances.
Hard to pick any sport that's cleaner though. Tennis, maybe?
We'll have to agree to disagree about lifetime bans.
To quote Dwain Chambers' lawyer:
"It has, in my view, been an exposure of colonial arrogance that even the most extreme and blinkered should have realised could only serve to marginalise British opinion on the international stage."
Britain is out of step with the world, but it thinks the world is out of step with it. Says it all, really.
No, the BOI was out of step with WADA. Not the same as the above. Wada aren't infallible. Neither are BOI obviously.
Mod: Lads just a reminder please steer away from unfounded drug allegations. If someone has been found to have doped and there is evidence fair enough but try to refrain from unfounded allegations or sweeping statements. Its a good thread and should be allowed to continue as long as we remain within the constraints of Boards Policy
Some people think sweeping statements are fine as long as they're not directed against athletics. Mad hypocrisy.
It's been going on for years in many sports. Downplaying the role of drugs in their sport because they don't want to believe it, even if it's staring them in the face. Then the drug cheats laugh all the way to the bank while these people are still there defending them.
British shot putter, Carl Myerscough, will be delighted to win a place:
Middle, middle ground.