I'm a smoker and if and when I do get terminal cancer I'll be taking my own life purely to save myself the suffering from the the final ravishing throngs of the disease. This is purely for my own convenience as I'd be a private patient anyway, I never have and never will cost this state a cent..
Thanks, I appreciate that
no don't think cancer... It's all in the mind, resistance training you can do from your couch.
Don't just smoke the cigarette. embrace it
Maybe if you read them you might realise that its good humoured banter regularly tossed around by the night time inhabitants of AH.
Just to add to your point of not treating 'fat people' and smokers because they disgust you with 'their selfish habits' , how would you go about about treating somebody with skin cancer contacted from lying in the sun, does their laying suggest they are stupid given the amount of information available on the prevalence of skin cancer ?
or are you just trying say 'you don't like smokers and fat people' ?
There is a lot of rubbish being talked here. I have both a medical card and VHI (and its my own business what I choose to spend my money on).
I have been admitted to Emergency on VHI and on the MC on a number of occasions and the treatment is precisely the same regardless of whether you are public or private. The only difference if you are admitted is a slight difference in the number of beds in a room.
You do not necessarily get to see a consultant, depending on need (you can ask to see one but if you need one s/he will see you anyway).
It is probably true that with VHI you can get to see a consultant more easily (at a cost of at least €120 on top of your VHI payments). That is down to the hold the consultants have on the system, which I do not agree with.
The business about people being treated if they have some medical issues, such as obesity or smoking, well that has always gone on and is not nearly as dramatic as it sounds.
If you are seriously obese or have lungs destroyed by smoking it can be very dangerous to operate, as well as pointless. Equally if you had serious breathing issues caused by other than smoking it might be just as dangerous to operate and the risk would have to be balanced against the benefit.
My family have VHI and medical cards 'for a particular health issue' the treatment is same but its time scale that's the difference.
There is quite difference between an emergency admission and a scheduled admission.
What the f**k ever happened to first do no harm??
Has it been replaced with first do nothing until i am paid??
For issues of limited physical resources, i.e. transplants, sure. I'd rather a heart go to someone who is healthier than I am, being both a smoker and being a fatty. They'll have a better prognosis than I would. But it can't be the only consideration. Have to take age and other stuff into account too. But if you have myself and someone exactly like me except for the fact that they don't smoke or that they aren't as overweight, and there's only 1 organ for transplant and we both need it, then give it to the other guy.
I suppose I don't have the best username to be continuing with that view
It's just the smokers I don't like now
If I needed medical treatment where my quitting smoking would greatly enhance my recovery I would be worried were my doctor not at least hesitant if I flat out refused to quit.
Were I obese I would be worried if a surgeon was happy to immediately perform surgery even though a couple of months losing weight would greatly enhance the chances of success.
I would be absolutely appalled to hear of an alcoholic receiving a liver transplant without showing adequately that they are recovering.
As far as I am aware, in these cases the patient is indeed expected to improve their wellbeing before receiving treatment, and I really don't see what's wrong with that. People crying eugenics are being a bit dim if I must be honest, none of these are inherent characteristics, all that is required of a patient is to change their behaviour.
Basically what you are saying here is that you agree with the doctors under certain circumstances that they have highlighted in the article ( I assume you read the article).
if your werent so blatant you might actually get somewhere with your posts!!
I've known people who had little or no regard for their health and i saw one man kill himself on fry-ups almost disgusting to list out here .Everyday the pan was on with cookeen first and then everything else .I warned him twice but he did'nt care and told me so . Suicide of a sort ? Overdosed on grease from pigs .Coroner could'nt enter that .Did'nt hesitate to run down the doctors' either for a remedy .They cost the state ...
The tax based on last year is not equal to what is going to be collected in 10 years as you can guarentee that the tax will increase.
Also what about all the other tax smokers pays through thier life along with those with private health insurance.