lakill Farm Registered User
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Im looking at the idea of doubling how many cattle i house each winter for the 2nd winter in a row and also looking at getting my feeding fairly right. Currently i feeding good quality bailed silage and 2kg of meal per head a day and about 20 litres of mollassess (35kg approx) to 17 no weanlings (8-12 months).

So with maybe 30 in the shed i was thinking of looking at fodder beet and buying it in washed and chopping myself and feeding. (I could get it washed with a friend who has a washer if it came to it)

  • So how much is 1 ton of fodder beet unwashed v washed
  • how much fodder beet would i be giving 1 animal per day
  • If i chopped fodder beet on a saturday in a pile would it be ok for the week or would i need to chop fresh every day or 2?
  • what diet of silage/meat/beet and others would you recommend.
Oh this would limx and AAX and FRX bulls if i do go ahead with it

lakill Farm Registered User
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blue5000 Moderator
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lakill Farm said:
Im looking at the idea of doubling how many cattle i house each winter for the 2nd winter in a row and also looking at getting my feeding fairly right. Currently i feeding good quality bailed silage and 2kg of meal per head a day and about 20 litres of mollassess (35kg approx) to 17 no weanlings (8-12 months).

So with maybe 30 in the shed i was thinking of looking at fodder beet and buying it in washed and chopping myself and feeding. (I could get it washed with a friend who has a washer if it came to it)

  • So how much is 1 ton of fodder beet unwashed v washed
  • how much fodder beet would i be giving 1 animal per day
  • If i chopped fodder beet on a saturday in a pile would it be ok for the week or would i need to chop fresh every day or 2?
  • what diet of silage/meat/beet and others would you recommend.
Oh this would limx and AAX and FRX bulls if i do go ahead with it


Wouldn't recommend too much meat in there anyway

Seriously though, would you consider using a 3 pt linkage feeder/chopper. I think abbey used to make them, it had a big auger in the bottom powered by a hydraulic motor?
Think beet is around 25-30e/ton unwashed.
1/3 of the dm in the diet can be beet, so depending how big the cattle are around 10-12kg/hd/day I reckon. Maybe someone who actually feeds it could tell you more.
As for chopping it once a week I reckon it would go mouldy, try get one of those choppers mentioned above, I'll try find a pic. Don't forget extra minerals too.
http://www.bridgewayengineering.com/products/beet-chopper/

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bob charles Registered User
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blue5000 said:
Wouldn't recommend too much meat in there anyway

Seriously though, would you consider using a 3 pt linkage feeder/chopper. I think abbey used to make them, it had a big auger in the bottom powered by a hydraulic motor?
Think beet is around 25-30e/ton unwashed.
1/3 of the dm in the diet can be beet, so depending how big the cattle are around 10-12kg/hd/day I reckon. Maybe someone who actually feeds it could tell you more.
As for chopping it once a week I reckon it would go mouldy, try get one of those choppers mentioned above, I'll try find a pic. Don't forget a extra minerals too.


beet is around 35 a ton depending on variety and washed and chopped around 45 as washing/chopping is 7e and you will have more beet per ton after washing.

I have often went to 20kgs and more in a finishing diet

You could get away with chopping for 3 days or else chop allot of it and pit it and use it as you need it
Molasses is cheaper than allot of the beet that is for sale with a low DM.

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lakill Farm Registered User
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Thanks lads, i was looking at one of those pulpers that hold 200kg and run off the pto on the 3pt like the bridgeway. There about €800. At €495 for 11ton of washed beet, would you have better feeding than 2t of meal for €490?

I didnt realise there was different type beet, looking on donedeal the only options are washed/unwashed and all seem pulled by an armour machine of some sort.

Im complete new to the idea of beet but strongly looking at it.

bob charles Registered User
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lakill Farm said:

I didnt realise there was different type beet, looking on donedeal the only options are washed/unwashed and all seem pulled by an armour machine of some sort.


You would be an ideal candidate to be selling beet to. I could sell you beet for €20 a ton and for €40 a ton and the stuff at €40 a ton would be much better value. Caveat emptor

lakill Farm Registered User
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Now now. . Is the €20 a ton washed and deliveried

The 2 lads i know who feed beet both grow there own, wash it and feed it through a diet feeder. I am going to go ask 1 of them more about the actual beet he uses. ANytime im in his yard its tipped onto a seperate slab.

Im strongly thinking of feeding it this winter coming and ill try pick up a pulper out of season, so hopefully ill save a few euro and i can plan my silage needs now, not in Sept.



bob charles said:
You would be an ideal candidate to be selling beet to. I could sell you beet for €20 a ton and for €40 a ton and the stuff at €40 a ton would be much better value. Caveat emptor

Username John Registered User
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I should start by saying I know nothing about cattle...

Don't know much about beet either - but what would you need to feed along with it, as regards minerals?
Also, would you need to feed some extra protein (I thnk fodder beet is low in protein is it?)

It would be interesting to see the sums of a beet + silage diet vs ration + silage diet.

lakill - have you consider the time element? To prepare & chop the beet vs just putting out some ration?

I wonder would mixing a ration with a higher % of cheaper materials, such as barley be easier & cheaper?
Maybe I'm way off saying that?

lakill Farm Registered User
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Username John said:
I should start by saying I know nothing about cattle...


Snap

Well time element is a factor. Switch between bale lifter and pulper and back, plus time to load and wash pulper and to pulp. max 15 mins x 2 a week. I can load beet off the trailer into the pulper or use a digger.

Ration & Silage v silage and beet price?

I was going to go with a ration, Silage and beet feed.

Im new to this concept. Oh feeding molasses is €190 ton or 600litres approx

Muckit Registered User
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lakill Farm said:


max 15 mins...


I always find that a '5min job' always turns into an hour! The OH is always pullin' me on it.

'I'm off down the farm for an hour'.................. 8hours later.........

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Haven't used beet in about 20 years

1 thing i would say is that without the right equipment it is pure slavery to deal with

However it is is a very good feed and cattle really thrive on it

Username John Registered User
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lakill Farm said:
Snap

Well time element is a factor. Switch between bale lifter and pulper and back, plus time to load and wash pulper and to pulp. max 15 mins x 2 a week. I can load beet off the trailer into the pulper or use a digger.

Ration & Silage v silage and beet price?

I was going to go with a ration, Silage and beet feed.

I'm new to this concept. Oh feeding molasses is €190 ton or 600litres approx


Interesting comments on previous thread here From here
"As a general guide, 5kg fodder beet can replace 1kg of barley or similar energy dry feed."

"€495 for 11ton of washed beet" = €45 / ton
I think rolled barley in my local mill is €4.90 for 20kg, so €49 for the equivalent feed value as beet... (Am sure you would get it cheaper in bulk)
Plus the cost of buying the pulper + time + diesel on top... doesn't seem worth it to me.
NOTE : This is assuming you still feed ration on top of the barley / beet, so no extra minerals or anything needed.

But this is all based on a 10 minute google - maybe that 5 to 1 ratio for barley isnt right?

There may be additional benefits to feeding beet? Ruemen benefits maybe? But, if you are feeding molasses anyway, then that to me would remove any additional benefits beet may offer...

That's my two cents... he says, in a very academic way, not knowing anything about cattle...

EDIT : Actually - rethinking this, you would need to do a lot more work of comparing like with like, down to calorific energy I guess? As was posted above - beet can be 20 - 40 / ton, you'd need to compare what each gives you against grain. So not sure my post is worth anything really... sorry Lakil...

lakill Farm Registered User
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off course your posting is of benefit. I am just trying to play it out in my own mind. I didnt look at figures or anything yet.

I only got molasses to encourage the cattle to eat a few 2010 bales. before this it was meal and silage only

bob charles Registered User
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From test of my beet

21% Dm and 900cals energy, grain would generally be 85%Dm and 950cals.

Beet is low in DM this year due to last summers weather, Would have liked to see the DM a point or 2 higher

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Username John Registered User
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bob charles said:
From test of my beet

21% Dm and 900cals energy, grain would generally be 85%Dm and 950cals.

Beet is low in DM this year due to last summers weather, Would have liked to see the DM a point or 2 higher


Sorry now Bob to be asking such basic questions - but what does that mean as regards comparing the two?

21% vs 85% = 1 : 4
900 cals vs 950 cals = almost 1 : 1

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