mod9maple Registered User
#31

That's fabulous - can I steal your idea?

Discodog Registered User
#32

These arguments are pretty pointless. There will never be legislation regarding roaming cats. The vast majority of owners will not build runs - many would perceive it as cruelty to keep their cat "caged". There is enough difficulty with persuading cat owners to neuter - my neighbour who is a teacher refuses to do so because "it is unnatural"

So the best advice is to chill & accept that the roaming cats are here to stay.

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meoklmrk91 Registered User
#33

Dogs should never be left roaming, they get themselves into too much trouble and are at a risk to being stolen, I would never leave my dog out alone without supervision and I think people who do are insane.

As for cats, I personally believe that all depends on where you live, when I got my kitten I was living in an apartment, it was a high traffic area and there was lots of dogs. She was only allowed out when I brought her and my dog out, I would play with the dog and she got a sniff around and chase birds. I even taught her to come when called and would bring her in along with the dog. I then moved back home to my parents house to save for college, where my older cat still lived. It's a nice rural estate, low traffic and plenty of places to hide, plus there are no roaming dogs, so I slowly started putting her outside, she chooses to spend most of her time inside though so thats fine. Where as my older cat who is 8 prefers to spend most of her time outside and usually only comes in to sleep and eat.

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The Sweeper Patience, grasshoppa
#34

Slksht said:
You mean God help your dog! If a Dog tried to fight a cat the cat will win every time. They go for the eyes with their claws... nasty!


I wish that was actually true.

It isn't. A cat hasn't got a snowballs against a serious dog, even a small serious dog. They don't 'go for the eyes', they panic and simply claw and bite whatever comes within reach, and most dogs in drive (meaning all riled up because they're attacking) will have shaken and injured or killed the cat before they even feel the cat's retaliation.

I keep my cats on my own property using cat-proof fencing. A few years ago, in our old house, my neighbour's dog dug our fenceline at the back of the yard and, unbeknownst to me, dug enough of a gap that one of my cats squeezed under the fence to explore. It started to lash rain while he was in the other yard and he ran under something to shelter, as opposed to running back indoors which the rest of my cats did.

While he was AWOL, he was attacked by a dog. I'm not sure if it was my neighbour's dog, but I think it probably was just because I can't see my cat having managed to get out of the neighbour's yard and further afield - plus he came home that night, near midnight, of his own accord.

He had a puncture wound in his groin, half an inch from his urethra, that was about an inch worth of a tear in the skin and another inch deep. It was a clean puncture - he was so lucky. The outside of his haunch was scalped in a long strip, and the inside of the same leg and across his belly was dark purple with bruising. His rear claws were thick with coagulated blood - not his - and we think the dog went for him, he rolled onto his back and put his claws up, she grabbed him and he bunny-kicked with his rear legs and we think he got her down the roof of her mouth which is why she let him go. We asked the neighbour to check her dog for injuries but she was too busy telling us her dog wouldn't have hurt a fly so we gave up.

Thankfully my cat recovered - he needed an anti-inflammatory painkiller and an antiobiotic, the wounds were shaved and allowed to heal themselves, the puncture was left open and let heal from the inside out. It took about 10 days for him to recover physically, and about a solid year for him to get back to his 'old self' in terms of being a happy go lucky cat again.

And that was one incident, from one escape, for a cat never normally allowed to roam. I dunno what I could expect if I let them roam freely...

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irelandspurs Registered User
#35

Some cats need there own space you know.

Themadhouse Registered User
#36

mod9maple said:
That's fabulous - can I steal your idea?


Lol, yes you can. :-)

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Themadhouse Registered User
#37

adrenalinjunkie said:
Do you actually need the overhead part at that height?


8ft was recommended on all the sites we looked at. The patio doors open onto the deck and the roof is just over the doors. Def wouldn't want it lower than that around the deck as its an area we use. We asked the neighbours if they minded but it doesn't block out sunlight or anything from their gardens. Plus it gives the cats good climbing ground. It's no taller than some of the sheds on the road and a lot of the trees in gardens.

ppink Registered User
#38

Can I ask then who is responsible for a neighbours cat coming into my garden and injuring my dogs? I am sure this will happen when they catch him.

irelandspurs Registered User
#39

ppink said:
Can I ask then who is responsible for a neighbours cat coming into my garden and injuring my dogs? I am sure this will happen when they catch him.


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grumpymunster Registered User
#40

Seems to me the main problem people have with cats roaming is pooping in their garden. I find it difficult to believe that people would compare cats and dogs regarding this. I cannot recall reading an article reporting people being attacked and injured by a cat unproved, yet this happened to a friend of mine two weeks ago by two dogs. Worse this was the second time these dogs were involved in an attack in less than a week.

What next do we all go on a bird purge because of bird poop on the car or the window?

A programme of neutering would be better, in the past year or so we have taken five cats to the vet to get snipped as they are ferrel and seem to like hanging out in our garden. The problem is this gets expensive and there seems to be no charity that we could find that will do it even at a reduced cost.

As for roaming they are not a danger to society so why not I say.

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Discodog Registered User
#41

The Sweeper said:

It isn't. A cat hasn't got a snowballs against a serious dog, even a small serious dog.


I witnessed a Jack Russell killing a cat - it took seconds.

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kylith Registered User
#42

grumpymunster said:


What next do we all go on a bird purge because of bird poop on the car or the window?

That's not comparable at all. Birds are wild creatures and don't belong to anyone, cats do, and their owners should be responsible for them. I have enough to do cleaning up after my dogs, it's not my job to clean up after other people's pets too.

You can bet that if someone's upstairs neighbour kept budgies on their balcony and the sh*t rained onto theirs they'd be complaining about it just as much as we complain about cats.

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angelfire9 Registered User
#43

The Sweeper said:

It isn't. A cat hasn't got a snowballs against a serious dog, even a small serious dog.


I witnessed a Jack Russell killing a cat - it took seconds.


JRT's can be lethal hunters

It does depend on the cat though my little psycho used to attack the neighbours dog before we installed the wiring that keeps him in
And the neighbours 4 doors down have a yorkie that got into our back garden one day when we were putting out the bins and our kitty mauled him

#44

Curiosity killed the cat. If there is trouble a cat will find it. I refuse to believe that cats somehow have more 'street smarts' than dogs.

PCros Registered User
#45

doctor evil said:
Curiosity killed the cat. If there is trouble a cat will find it. I refuse to believe that cats somehow have more 'street smarts' than dogs.


Put a cat and a dog out on its own and I would put my money on the cat to survive ten times over.

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