d3exile Registered User
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Taken from RTE.ie

Ombudsman to probe Tipperary death
Updated: 08:27, Tuesday, 31 January 2012

A man died from a gunshot wound to the head from one of two weapons he was found to be carrying after he was stopped by a Garda patrol in Co Tipperary last night.


Garda Ombudsman to probe Co Tipperary incident
A man died from a gunshot wound to the head from one of two weapons he was found to be carrying after he was stopped by a routine Garda patrol in north Co Tipperary last night.
Gardai say the man was signalled to stop at Newport shortly after 7.30pm.
He produced a shotgun and a struggle ensued between him and the gardaí during which shots were fired.
The gardaí managed to wrestle the firearm from him but he produced a second gun and another shot was fired which wounded him fatally in the head.
The two gardaí were unarmed.
The Garda Ombudsman is to carry out an investigation into the incident.
A spokesperson for the Garda Ombudsman said that all of the man's next of kin have not been informed yet.
He said a man in his mid-forties was driving a van erratically so the two gardaí pulled him over.
The man spoke to the gardaí for "some time" before he produced a gun which he pointed at the Gardaí and then "discharged a number of rounds".
The body is still at the scene and investigating officers remained at the scene over night.
The Thurlus - Annacotty Road is closed and will remain closed for the most part of the day.

d3exile Registered User
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Tragic for the man involved, and no doubt traumatic for the two Guards at scene, this could have had a very different ending

POGAN Registered User
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awful incident and garda management wants to cut armed D/Os i think we need more armed units not less

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POGAN said:
awful incident and garda management wants to cut armed D/Os i think we need more armed units not less


I agree, although this incident seems to have been a relatively unexpected one, sounds like the lads wouldn't have called for an armed unit initially, and once they had they wouldn't have got one there on time... although I do agree there should be more armed units, like the RSU on a 3 relief and stop disarming the D/O's!

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da_hambo Registered User
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POGAN said:
awful incident and garda management wants to cut armed D/Os i think we need more armed units not less


I agree, although this incident seems to have been a relatively unexpected one, sounds like the lads wouldn't have called for an armed unit initially, and once they had they wouldn't have got one there on time... although I do agree there should be more armed units, like the RSU on a 3 relief and stop disarming the D/O's!


Definite Scott medals in future I think.They were very lucky we could have been looking at a completely different headline this morning.

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CharlieCroker Registered User
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I'd rather it never happened than be given a Scott medal for it!

Best of luck to the members involved and here's hoping they get any support they need

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POGAN said:
awful incident and garda management wants to cut armed D/Os i think we need more armed units not less


I don't see the connection or how more armed officers could prevent this type of almost "random" incident.

Fair play to the two members involved in doing their job and putting their own lives at risk in a highly dangerous situation and being witness to the awful turn of events.

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BrianD said:
I don't see the connection or how more armed officers could prevent this type of almost "random" incident.

Fair play to the two members involved in doing their job and putting their own lives at risk in a highly dangerous situation and being witness to the awful turn of events.


our officers dhould be equiped to deal with ANY type of 'random' incident

or atleast have backup available quickly when this type of 'random' incident occurs

remember, the current system in place only works until it doesnt

and when it doesnt work, lives will be lost

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pah Registered User
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http://www.independent.ie/national-news/mystery-surrounds-fatal-shooting-3005786.html

Mystery surrounds fatal shooting

A GARDA officer grabbed a shotgun while his female sergeant pepper sprayed their assailant as they bravely evaded a gun attack from a suspected drink driver.
The Irish Independent has learned that after disarming the gunman of a shotgun, Garda Gerry Brassil and Sergeant Deborah Marsh raced for cover as Anthony McMahon (44) -- who was partially blinded from the spray -- shot wildly at them with a second gun in Newport, Co Tipperary, on Monday night.
An investigation by the Garda Siochana Ombudsman Commission continued last night after Mr McMahon -- a keen hunter -- took his own life during a horrific ordeal which included shots being fired at the two officers at point-blank range.
Investigators are still mystified as to why the self-employed taxi driver opened fire -- but there has been widespread praise for the response of the two unarmed officers, who escaped without serious physical injuries.
Newport residents and colleagues of Gda Brassil and Sgt Marsh fear there could have been more than one fatality had it not been for their quick actions.
Mr McMahon -- who also worked as a carpet fitter -- was signalled to stop by gardai as he approached Newport on the Thurles road after they received a report about a motorist driving erratically.
Gda Brassil approached the van and the Irish Independent has learned that Mr McMahon -- who was the sole occupant of the vehicle -- grabbed a double- barrelled shotgun and pointed it directly at the officer, who had spotted it and asked whether it was loaded.
The garda managed to push the barrel of the gun away from his head as a shot was discharged.
A struggle then took place as Gda Brassil attempted to disarm Mr McMahon. It is understood that, at one stage, Gda Brassil -- a respected officer who has been based in Newport for 15 years -- held his finger against the trigger to prevent another gunshot.
Sgt Marsh raced to her colleague's aid and a canister of pepper spray was sprayed at Mr McMahon's face but he refused to give up the weapon.
A second gunshot was discharged through the roof of the van as the struggle continued before Gda Brassil -- who was also struck in the face with the shotgun -- gained control of the weapon.
Mr McMahon then produced a high-powered rifle and pointed it towards Sgt Marsh. Another shot was discharged, but the sergeant escaped injury.
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The officers sprinted for cover. Gda Brassil crouched behind the front of the garda car as Mr McMahon opened fire with the rifle and shot blindly at the officers from the driver's seat of the van. The patrol car was hit at least four times, with one shot passing through the back and front windscreen.
He then discharged a final shot, wounding himself fatally in the head.
Mr McMahon is originally from the Janesboro area of Limerick city and comes from a well-respected family.
Until last year, he lived in the Limerick city suburbs at Monaleen Park and would socialise at the Monaleen GAA club. Last year he moved to a bungalow in a rural area outside the Tipperary village of Rearcross.
It is understood that he has not worked as a taxi driver following an accident involving his car over Christmas -- it has since been off the road.
Gun cartridges were found at the house in Rearcross by gardai as part of follow-up investigations.
The two guns were licensed to Mr McMahon who was permitted to hold up to four guns. It has not yet been established why Mr McMahon had the weapons in his van with him.



This just goes to show that ANYTHING can happen, based on this article the members were even luckier than was originally thought. Good reactions from the members probably saved both their lives.

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I'm impressed with the use of the pepperspray. It's still relatively new and easy to forget about in an intense situation like this. The use of it on this occasion could very well have saved their lives by preventing him from taking proper aim.

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maryk123 Registered User
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something about this storey doesnt sit - there are big rumours flying around about what really happened with him and a son of a guard in Limerick. He is from a well respected family never in trouble and he had licence for guns which he seemingly has for years. now you dont get a licence if they thing you are not able.
somthing not right here.

d3exile Registered User
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maryk123 said:
something about this storey doesnt sit - there are big rumours flying around about what really happened with him and a son of a guard in Limerick. He is from a well respected family never in trouble and he had licence for guns which he seemingly has for years. now you dont get a licence if they thing you are not able.
somthing not right here.


Yeah and Elvis shot JFK...

People go off their rocker sometimes, hard to prevent, even harder to predict, abbeylara was a legally held firearm as well, as was that taxi driver that went on the rampage in the UK not so long ago... People with licences can have break downs (which I'm assuming this was) as much as people without licences.

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WilcoOut said:
our officers dhould be equiped to deal with ANY type of 'random' incident

or atleast have backup available quickly when this type of 'random' incident occurs

remember, the current system in place only works until it doesnt

and when it doesnt work, lives will be lost


Yes but the only real solution is to arm the entire force because even if you doubled or trebled the availability of armed response units, the incident at Newport would have had the same outcome. It would appear from reports that it happened in minutes.

I wouldn't be in favour of general arming of the Gardai and I don't think an incident like this warrants it. All Gardai enter service and perform their duty in this knowledge (obviously not the specialist ones).

Even with the Daily Mail headlining that there 200.000 legally held fire arms the number of incidents like this are rare. Thankfully so.

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BrianD said:
Yes but the only real solution is to arm the entire force because even if you doubled or trebled the availability of armed response units, the incident at Newport would have had the same outcome. It would appear from reports that it happened in minutes.

I wouldn't be in favour of general arming of the Gardai and I don't think an incident like this warrants it. All Gardai enter service and perform their duty in this knowledge (obviously not the specialist ones).

Even with the Daily Mail headlining that there 200.000 legally held fire arms the number of incidents like this are rare. Thankfully so.


Most Gardaí would have entered with the knowledge that they would have some protections. Numbers are being cut as well as stations being closed. Vehicles are in short supply and there is talk of disarming detectives. Add that to the pitiful sentences being given to Garda killers and assaulters and the case for arming the Gardaí is looking increasingly stronger.

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