#46

you seem to be well up on this area, maybe you should set one up as oppose to your fire service and your little school girl fascination for firemen and their equipment!!!

#47

ivabiggon said:
you seem to be well up on this area, maybe you should set one up as oppose to your fire service and your little school girl fascination for firemen and their equipment!!!



Surely you can think of (a process which kind of involves a few brain cells working together) something more insulting to write than "your little school girl fascination for firemen and their equipment" ?

#49

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/motorists-face-bill-for-thousands-if-they-call-fire-brigade-2967302.html

In short mans car catch fire on Motorway , two engines arrive, man gets charged 3125 euro by council.

I am tipping the car was not worth that much?


I wonder would this work.

999 "999 Police fire ambulance"

Victim "Car Fire on M50 south bound by the Navan road turn off, but I am just letting you know I don't require attendance I am fine and no one is trapped or hurt."

999 "We will have to send a unit as its on the Motorway"

Victim "Ok but that's your call I dont want the fire brigrade...is this recording ?"

999 "Yes of course"

Victim " Just so we are clear I was just calling for a chat like..I am not requesting anyone"

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CB19Kevo Registered User
#50

This will really damage the publics view of the Fire service.
All calls outside of commercial incidents should be free to the public.
Emergency services should never be money earners or charge.......

Turner Moderator
#51

To be honest I dont see why the Fire Brigade is required for a car fire.

If the fire has taken hold so much (that the car is a right off) and there is no chance of the fire spreading to buildings other cars or trees... Whats the point in paying the fire brigade to put it out.

Just let it burn itself out.

The fire brigade arent going to magically save it for you, all they will do is fill it with water, break open your bonnet and disconnect your battery.

Ring your insurance company who will tow the shell, or decide its the councils problem to get rid of it.

markpb Registered User
#52

Turner said:
If the fire has taken hold so much (that the car is a right off) and there is no chance of the fire spreading to buildings other cars or trees...


I guess they don't know until they get there whether there's a fire contagion risk or not.

Paulzx Registered User
#53

Turner said:
To be honest I dont see why the Fire Brigade is required for a car fire.

If the fire has taken hold so much (that the car is a right off) and there is no chance of the fire spreading to buildings other cars or trees... Whats the point in paying the fire brigade to put it out.

Just let it burn itself out.

The fire brigade arent going to magically save it for you, all they will do is fill it with water, break open your bonnet and disconnect your battery.

Ring your insurance company who will tow the shell, or decide its the councils problem to get rid of it.


It's nothing got to do with saving the car. If a car is on fire in a housing estate and its pumping out filthy black smoke all over the houses people are going to want it extingushed as soon as possible.

If its parked at the side of the road and its ablaze no traffic will be able to pass unless they want their paintwork melted. The smoke is also a visabilty hazard to other drivers.

Nobody in their right mind is going to let a car burn out for a few hours in a bulit up area even if it is not an actual fire risk to any building.

It's a fire. It's the fire brigades job to extingush it.

#54

CB19Kevo said:
This will really damage the publics view of the Fire service.
All calls outside of commercial incidents should be free to the public.
Emergency services should never be money earners or charge.......


If some moron starts a fire in his back garden to burn rubbish and it spreads should he not have to pay?

Turner said:
To be honest I dont see why the Fire Brigade is required for a car fire.

If the fire has taken hold so much (that the car is a right off) and there is no chance of the fire spreading to buildings other cars or trees... Whats the point in paying the fire brigade to put it out.

Just let it burn itself out.

The fire brigade arent going to magically save it for you, all they will do is fill it with water, break open your bonnet and disconnect your battery.

Ring your insurance company who will tow the shell, or decide its the councils problem to get rid of it.


There are so many other risks in a car fire than just spreading. Paulzx has mentioned a few. What about keeping the public away or salvaging evidence?

Owryan Registered User
#55

From a family members experience,I can make this comment. An aunty of mine lives in kilkenny, 2 years ago her daughter left a lit candle in the window. Long story short fire brigade called out to fight a fire in the bedroom.

Some weeks later she got a bil for €750 . As she was on disability the council waived most of it as she was on welfare but she was forced to pay a portion as the cause of the fire was deemed as "negligence".

I would assume it will be a similar arrangement , if you are on welfare or below a certain income the fee will be reduced or waived.

In the event the fire is caused by arson or criminal action then if someone is convicted of thr offence then they are billed.

Thats pretty much how it works in Carlow and Kilkenny,

Dermot Illogical Registered User
#56

savagecabbages said:

I am also annoyed that people expect something for free when others have to pay for it.


Not half as annoying as people being expected to pay for the same thing multiple times. There should be no charge anywhere for the proper use of any emergency services.

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markpb Registered User
#57

savagecabbages said:
I am also annoyed that people expect something for free when others have to pay for it.


Why? Each county and city can chose to provide whatever services it wants to its citizens. They can choose to charge for them or make them free. Dublin City council choose not to charge for fire services to anyone in the four Dublin counties. If your local authority, run by people you elected wants to charge, that's up to them. You can a) vote out those councillors and vote for people who agree with you or b) move somewhere else. That's how democracy works.

savagecabbages Registered User
#58

markpb said:
Why? Each county and city can chose to provide whatever services it wants to its citizens. They can choose to charge for them or make them free. Dublin City council choose not to charge for fire services to anyone in the four Dublin counties. If your local authority, run by people you elected wants to charge, that's up to them. You can a) vote out those councillors and vote for people who agree with you or b) move somewhere else. That's how democracy works.


So we can expect loads of people to either leave Dublin or bring down the councilors?

Don't know if people understand the point i was making or not, I'm annoyed that people don't give a crap that fire services charge elsewhere in the same country, but as soon as a similar practice is suggested in their area they are up in arms over it...


Btw I don't think any emergency services should charge anywhere in the country for genuine calls.

markpb Registered User
#59

savagecabbages said:
Don't know if people understand the point i was making or not, I'm annoyed that people don't give a crap that fire services charge elsewhere in the same country, but as soon as a similar practice is suggested in their area they are up in arms over it...


It doesn't really matter what happens in the rest of the country, fire services are provided by your local authority, not the government.


Btw I don't think any emergency services should charge anywhere in the country for genuine calls.


I agree totally.

dfbemt Registered User
#60

Covered on the Joe Duffy Show yesterday afternoon.

Decent enough show for Liveline. Some very good points made.

http://www.rte.ie/radio/radioplayer/rteradioweb.html#!rii=9%3A3166793%3A53%3A13%2D01%2D2012%3A

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