Grizzly 45 Registered User
#61

From todays Examiner.
Pity they just wont allow us the proper tools for the job!!

Bill to give homeowners right to kill intruders

By Stephen Rogers
Friday, December 09, 2011
HOUSEHOLDERS will have a legal right to use force up to and including killing an intruder in defence of homes and families, as long as they can prove they honestly believed their actions were "reasonable".
Justice Minister Alan Shatter brought the Criminal Law (Defence and the Dwelling) Bill 2010 before the Seanad, where he told senators the "harsh reality of crime and in particular the crime of burglary" had to be addressed.

He said nobody could disagree with the proposition that people should feel safe in their own homes and that an intrusion was "an attack on our peace of mind that can destroy a person’s sense of personal security and cause disturbance for many years after it has occurred".

"That is why the law has always seen an intrusion into the home as a particularly egregious offence," he said.

Until now common law has provided that people can use force to protect themselves, others and to protect property. The bill proposed by the Government clarifies and strengthens the existing legislation when it comes to protecting the home.

The bill also says that it is immaterial whether the householder had a "safe and practicable" opportunity to retreat from the dwelling before using the force.


Read more: http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/bill-to-give-homeowners-right-to-kill-intruders-176645.html#ixzz1g2Tg7Vp5

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krissovo Registered User
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The bill also says that it is immaterial whether the householder had a "safe and practicable" opportunity to retreat from the dwelling before using the force.




Sounds like its been thought through.

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Doc Ruby said:
Probably, a couple of things though, they have a lot of unmarried men who will never get married due to their one child policy, with the ongoing recessions across the west their unemployment is rising (and economic growth is the only glue really holding China together), so they need a distraction, and international approval is becoming less important as domestic demand grows.

20 million more young men than women to be exact. Theirs alot of unrest expected because of this.

Boys are preferred as they have more chance of becoming something so parents abort/give up the girls.

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Grizzly 45 said:
From todays Examiner.
Pity they just wont allow us the proper tools for the job!!

Bill to give homeowners right to kill intruders


By Stephen Rogers
Friday, December 09, 2011
HOUSEHOLDERS will have a legal right to use force up to and including killing an intruder in defence of homes and families, as long as they can prove they honestly believed their actions were "reasonable".
Justice Minister Alan Shatter brought the Criminal Law (Defence and the Dwelling) Bill 2010 before the Seanad, where he told senators the "harsh reality of crime and in particular the crime of burglary" had to be addressed.


He said nobody could disagree with the proposition that people should feel safe in their own homes and that an intrusion was "an attack on our peace of mind that can destroy a person’s sense of personal security and cause disturbance for many years after it has occurred".


"That is why the law has always seen an intrusion into the home as a particularly egregious offence," he said.


Until now common law has provided that people can use force to protect themselves, others and to protect property. The bill proposed by the Government clarifies and strengthens the existing legislation when it comes to protecting the home.


The bill also says that it is immaterial whether the householder had a "safe and practicable" opportunity to retreat from the dwelling before using the force.







About bloody time, thats great news

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#65

kildare.17hmr said:
About bloody time, thats great news


It would quite often be reasonable because even if one mere wisp of a scumbag appears inside the house you don't know how many are waiting outside. This kind of scum rarely goes it alone, they are too cowardly for that

#66

very true. Fact is if you disturb an intruder and they dont immediately leg it there is your reason right there.

This law is not going to change peoples attitudes i dont think. The people who would now go for an intruder more than likely would have still done it regardless of the law a year ago. Its not something that will go through your head in such an event but its still great to know the law is completely on your side

Grizzly 45 Registered User
#67

All the more reason to LEARN how to defend you and yours properly,to avoid things going horribly wrong..Remember the law might be on your side,but it still doesnt give you 100% immunity either.

Sparks Moderator
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krissovo said:
Sounds like its been thought through.

You do realise that the bill doesn't change anything?
You've been able to defend yourself in your home without fear of prosecution under our system of law since the 1300s. This isn't even close to the first time this has been discussed on boards.ie either.

ShadowFox Moderator
#69

[quote=Sparks;75934566]You do realise that the bill doesn't change anything?
You've been able to defend yourself in your home without fear of prosecution under our system of law since the 1300s. This isn't even close to the first time this has been discussed on boards.ie either.

My Rottie can't read so dont think she was pushed with what the law said she just sees a snack

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#70

Not sure if this is the right forum for it or not but here goes...

I had a big post written out, then highlighted it to copy into another forum and accidentally pasted something else in it's place and couldn't Undo :clapper:

This comes from several threads I've been reading on several forums, and a chat I had with a friend today.

One thing I would like to be left out of this is the politics of the Euro, the EU, the UK, the ROI and any other country, start another thread for them please

The scenario is this. You have X amount of a currency which is in danger of collapse, let's say a few thousand. You want to convert that paper money into something tangible that after the **** hit's the fan that would have retained it's value through that messy transition.

We first talked of Gold, but I think gold is in a bubble at the moment. Too many are investing in it, it's like property was 10 years ago, sure the value can only go up (until Italy or some other large country dumps it's thousands of tons of gold onto the market to raise cash). We did agree that smaller value gold coins would be easier to dispose of post currency collapse than large value coins, better odds on people having small sums of money to spend than large. So Gold was ruled out.

Then we moved onto foreign currency. But, paper money is all about confidence, if a major world currency were to collapse that collapse would have major repercussions for economies all around the world, from those economies that make things like China, to consumer/service economies like the EU/USA. There is also the question of what type of limits, charges and taxes would be applied to foreign currency conversion post currency collapse, which could be punitive. I don't think foreign currency is as good a bet as is made out. So that was ruled out.

Farm land was mentioned, and I think there is some merit to that idea. Food can be grown, animals raised, allotments leased out, there are options there. But, there is a large problem in that land isn't always sold quickly if one needed to liquidate that asset and turn it into new currency paper money for any reason.

Two other suggestions were whiskey and ammunition. I don't believe whiskey would run short but it may retain it's value, I'm just not sure, it doesn't feel certain to me. Ammunition has the big problem of legality, one can only hold so many rounds in this jurisdiction, BUT, even with things going well importers are sometimes slow and there have been ammo shortages. I'd not like to have a house fire storing either!

We didn't settle on any item or items being a good idea to date. What we did agree was that lower to medium value items, which keep in good/perfect condition over time and are easily converted back into currency would be a good idea.

What would you think those items to be? That is the question

#71

a few cheap cartons of cigarettes would be a good investment if your ever in Poland or the likes where you can get a box of smokes for a euro or so. The whisky is a good one 2 i think or any spirit for that matter. People will always want these things.

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ShadowFox Moderator
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kildare.17hmr said:
a few cheap cartons of cigarettes would be a good investment if your ever in Poland or the likes where you can get a box of smokes for a euro or so. The whisky is a good one 2 i think or any spirit for that matter. People will always want these things.


And pouchs of tabacco

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#73

grapeape said:
And pouchs of tabacco


yes defo tobacco pouchs. Small enough to keep loads in a small place and go alot further than a box of smokes

Doc Ruby Registered User
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kildare.17hmr said:
yes defo tobacco pouchs. Small enough to keep loads in a small place and go alot further than a box of smokes

Plus you can break them up into any denominations you like.

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ShadowFox Moderator
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Doc Ruby said:
Plus you can break them up into any denominations you like.


Most important DON'T FORGET THE ROLLING PAPERS

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