I moved here with my Grandparents 18 months ago and am originally from the UK (born there) and live with my Grandparents bought house here in Ireland. I have spent this time renovating my grandparents house for free and they have been supporting me. I have never worked here.
I have applied for JSA and filled in all forms and have had a home visit and as I had not heard anything I gave the social protection office a ring to see how my claim is going.
The lady went off to check and came back and said it is bad news as it's not a favorable decision.
She stated that I didn't give proof of income and that I didn't prove residency.
In my application I filled in my PPS number. I thought this was proof of residency?
I enclosed a copy of my bank statement which shows only 100 euro in it. How else can I prove residency and income?
My grandparents had also written a letter stating I live with them and that I didnt receive any money from renovating there house.
I plan to appeal as my Grandparents plan to sell up and move back to the UK.
I would like to stay in Ireland but if I can't get any money I will have to move back with them. Otherwise I would starve!!
Thanks. Stove Fan
I think that answers your question.
You have to have previous tax paid in order to claim JSA as it's for people who are unemployed, not never been employed
I dont know specifics but you have to have paid x amount of tax first before JSA is awarded
No so - you need to have paid a certain amount of prsi contributions to get job seekers benefit - not allowance.
If you are aged 18 or over and unemployed, you may be paid either Jobseeker's Allowance (JA) or Jobseeker's Benefit (JB). Both payments are paid by the Department of Social Protection (DSP). Jobseeker's Allowance used to be called Unemployment Assistance; the name of the payment changed in October 2006.
You may get Jobseeker's Allowance if you don't qualify for Jobseeker's Benefit or if you have used up your entitlement to Jobseeker's Benefit. In some cases, if you are only entitled to a reduced rate of Jobseeker's Benefit you may be better off on Jobseeker's Allowance. However, Jobseeker's Allowance is means-tested and your means must be below a certain level to qualify.
You must be unemployed to get Jobseeker’s Allowance.
To get Jobseeker's Allowance you must:
Be over 18 and under 66 years of age
Be capable of work
Be available for and genuinely seeking work
Satisfy the means test
Meet the Habitual Residence Condition.
I imagine they are denying it under the Habitual Residence Condition - info available here: http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/irish_social_welfare_system/social_assistance_payments/residency_requirements_for_social_assistance_in_ireland.html
your cwo will pay you until this matter is resolved, you can get a form that your grandparents can sign to say you reside there and write dates etc. on it
Supplementary welfare allowance is also subject to a person being deemed habitually resident. Community welfare officers conduct their own habitual residence for supplementary welfare allowance.
yeah i answered that above too
Define what 'habitual residence' means
it's where a person has lived here(or Great Britain) on a permanent basis for a certain period of uninterrupted time
You are likely to satisfy the Habitual Residence Condition if you:
* have spent all of your life in the Common Travel Area, or
* have lived in the Common Travel Area for the last 2 years or more, have worked in the Common Travel Area and now live in the Republic of Ireland, or
* have lived in other parts of the Common Travel Area for 2 years or more and then move to the Republic of Ireland and intend to make it your permanent home.
A bank or credit card statement would constitute evidence of habitual residence, Also like i said if you ask they will provide a form for the OP's grandparents to fill out
You have, of course, a right to reside here but proving habitual residency in order to receive social assistance payments is quite some undertaking.
It can be very difficult to prove that Ireland is your 'centre of interest' and proving that is a major factor in proving habitual residency. Things you need to do to prove habitual residency in order to claim social assistance payments are
show evidence you have been looking for work
show evidence that you have joined clubs, library, organizations etc., and where possible get letters of reference
show that you have signed up for a GP
provide names of family/friends who can be approached to vouch for you
provide evidence that you have severed links with the UK., i.e., any property sold, left rented property, that you have cancelled any benefit assistance payments in the UK, bank accounts closed, educational courses finished, jobs left etc.,
provide evidence of leased/bought property here.
The fact that your grandparents are returning to the UK will make it even more difficult for you.
More info here http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/irish_social_welfare_system/social_assistance_payments/residency_requirements_for_social_assistance_in_ireland.html
Thanks for the link
Who are the cwo the Community welfare officer? If so what is the name or ref no of the form?
Unfortunately I have never needed a bank account Here and so have only just opened one.
Thanks everyone who has given advice and I really appreciate it I want to stay in Ireland and find a job with an employer in the plumbing industry and eventually when things improve start my own plumbing buisiness.
All info is there, You will have to go down to your local health centre and talk to a cwo officer personally
I applied for JSA at the end of August and I am still waiting to get my JSA approved after being refused. I had the letter of aknowledgement letter of receipt of my appeal on the 25th of October and am still waiting I have been going in to the welfare office to sign the last two months. I have kept phoning them at Dublin but it has only reached the deciding officer on the 10th of December for a decision. I phoned today again and still no news so they said someone would phone which they did and said the process will either go to an oral hearing or decided, but allow another 2 months I was just staggered at the system and said what do I live on? He said that you would have to go to your social welfare office or local welfare officer and it's up to them at their discretion I said I expected the process to take 2-3 weeks as you could starve waiting He said unfortunately it can take a long time as they have 25,000 appeals to go through each year.
What would you do?
Is this normal
As far as I know if your waiting for your claim to be granted the community welfare officer will pay you while your waiting. Thats the way it worked for me but I wasnt appealing a case
Well a bit more news.
I telephoned Dublin yesterday and after waiting 15 minutes I got hold of someone and asked how my claim was going.
The person said a decision on my appeal had been decided so asked what the result was only to be told that they can't tell me under the data protection act and I would have to wait for the letter to arrive.
I asked when it was posted, but it hasn't yet. So a waiting game. I phoned my local office and they hadn't heard anything either from them
Has anyone else experienced this? Or do they not tell you anyway over the phone?