Lemlin Registered User
#316

DARK-KNIGHT said:
Donegal are no doubt a fine side with some great players but tbh I think Kildare would beat them in a close game I imagine..

To be fair ulster is generally one of the tougher provinces but is it as strong as it has been over last ten years or so?


But can I ask what is your basis for your assertion that Kildare would beat them? I've given multiple reasons above as to why I feel Donegal would so your response is rather sparse to be honest.

No, it isn't as strong. Tyrone and Armagh have both gone backwards. However, Ulster was the only province with 3 teams in Division 1 of the league this year. That was followed with three in Division 2. So 66% of the teams in Ulster are in the upper echelons of the Football League. I don't think too many other provinces can say that.

klairondavis Registered User
#317

Lemlin said:
Many thanks for the reply because its exactly what I was looking for. I've heard this argument a number of times mentioned on the Sunday Game and other shows by pundits in relation to KIldare and their debt. I was not aware of the development of the Hawkfield complex. One question I would still have is why wasn't this money put into an actual stadium? Hawkfield is a development complex from what I see.

Kildare's best pitch is Newbridge and I really think that playing a huge amount of games in Croke Park, particularly in the past, has been to the detriment of other provincial pitches in Leinster. The fact that plans are afoot to replace Parnell Park with another pitch in Dublin has to be annoying for other counties. I know when Meath people came down to Breffni Park last year they couldn't believe that their county ground was Pairc Tailteann.


There were plans for a new stadium on the outskirts of Newbridge but that was to be funded by the sale of St Conleth's Park for development. That obviously hit the rocks with the property crash in 2007/2008. Newbridge is a complete dump but it still serves it's purpose for league and club games. Most Leinster Championship games take place either in Portlaoise or Croke Park so pumping millions we don't have into a redeveloped or new stadium that would only be filled possibly only once or twice a year would be quite an unwise move. It's debatable whether St Conleth's could be redeveloped anyway because of the space constraints with it being smack bang in the middle of the town.

Hawkfield on the other hand is a fabulous asset that benefits all Kildare inter-county teams. It would have been great had both projects been completed but the county board clearly made the right choice.

klairondavis Registered User
#318

Also the Leinster Council and Croke Park seem determined to build another 30,000ish ground on the outskirts of Dublin in the medium term. As a result, it is highly unlikely that Kildare or Meath would get much, if any, financial assistance to redevelop their own stadia. There was speculation a few months ago that any new stadium around the M50 would serve as a home ground for Kildare, Meath, Wicklow and Louth!

keane2097 Registered User
#319

Which player's nickname is Chalky?

klairondavis Registered User
#320

Lemlin said:
But can I ask what is your basis for your assertion that Kildare would beat them? I've given multiple reasons above as to why I feel Donegal would so your response is rather sparse to be honest.

No, it isn't as strong. Tyrone and Armagh have both gone backwards. However, Ulster was the only province with 3 teams in Division 1 of the league this year. That was followed with three in Division 2. So 66% of the teams in Ulster are in the upper echelons of the Football League. I don't think too many other provinces can say that.


There was nothing between Kildare and Donegal last year. We played them in both league and championship and both games finished in a draw after 70 mins. I've no doubt that Donegal have progressed since last year but they have lost a super footballer in Kevin Cassidy while Kildare have welcomed back two former All Stars in Peter Kelly and Dermot Earley along with Mikey Conway who is now finally back to full fitness after three years. If they were to meet again tomorrow I doubt the bookies would be offering anymore than a 1 point handicap to either team.

From a Kildare point of view the 1/4 final last year still stings. Leaving aside Tomás's goal legitimate goal that was ruled out which would have left Donegal with a mountain to climb, I think the fact that it was Kildare's fourth game in successive weeks that ultimately told in the end. Kildare were running on fumes in extra time whereas Donegal were fresher and had a little bit left in the tank. Obviously Kildare have only ourselves to blame for ending up having to go the backdoor route but I don't think we have any reason to fear Donegal were we to meet them later this year.

klairondavis Registered User
#321

keane2097 said:
Which player's nickname is Chalky?


Gary White

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Lemlin Registered User
#322

klairondavis said:
There was nothing between Kildare and Donegal last year. We played them in both league and championship and both games finished in a draw after 70 mins. I've no doubt that Donegal have progressed since last year but they have lost a super footballer in Kevin Cassidy while Kildare have welcomed back two former All Stars in Peter Kelly and Dermot Earley along with Mikey Conway who is now finally back to full fitness after three years. If they were to meet again tomorrow I doubt the bookies would be offering anymore than a 1 point handicap to either team.

From a Kildare point of view the 1/4 final last year still stings. Leaving aside Tomás's goal legitimate goal that was ruled out which would have left Donegal with a mountain to climb, I think the fact that it was Kildare's fourth game in successive weeks that ultimately told in the end. Kildare were running on fumes in extra time whereas Donegal were fresher and had a little bit left in the tank. Obviously Kildare have only ourselves to blame for ending up having to go the backdoor route but I don't think we have any reason to fear Donegal were we to meet them later this year.


Many thanks for the educated response but I was pushing Dark-Knight because he generally tends to give the opposite

I'd agree totally. There is very little between the two sides but, as per the reasons given above, I'd fancy Donegal to shade it.

It could go either way though as you say.

keane2097 Registered User
#323

Kildare's panel this year is amazing. On top of a very good team they've named for this weekend they've got Daryl Flynn, Hugh Lynch, Dermot Earley, Leper, Alan Smith, Gary White, Ronan Sweeney and even potentially Sean Johnston.

From last year's team, that let's not forget were very hard done by referee-wise at vital stages, they're able to bring back Peter Kelly who is an amazing defender along with adding back in Hugh Lynch thus freeing John Doyle into a forward line that was at times leaderless. Mikey Conway is looking like a real re-emerging talent for them and Padraig O'Neill has improved a fair bit as well.

Donegal also seem to have improved although their performances in the league make me cautious of saying by exactly how much, but their panel remains fairly limited outside a great first fifteen and they've lost a defender as good as Kildare have gained by having Kelly back in Kevin Cassidy.

Kildare were the better team in the QF last year for much of the game, and with what's looking like a much stronger panel this year I think they're still stronger than a Donegal team that has also improved.

DARK-KNIGHT Registered User
#324

Lemlin said:
Many thanks for the educated response but I was pushing Dark-Knight because he generally tends to give the opposite

I'd agree totally. There is very little between the two sides but, as per the reasons given above, I'd fancy Donegal to shade it.

It could go either way though as you say.


You have some cheek trying to insult me like this!!!

Your so full of **** lemlin every year to pick a county to try wind up its normally Dublin from years past and now u choose Kildare why don't you crawl back under your bridge you twoll oops sorry troll

Also the reason I generally don't elaborate here is I use an iPhone not a pc or laptop and I find it a pain in the ass to type on it but sure you coming from CIIAAAVAAAN must be über intelligent eh??

#325

Good article and good points made by Darragh O' Se in relation to Seanie Johnston.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0627/1224318804363.html

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DoctaDee Moderator
#326

Just on a related note .. the end piece regarding the standard of refereeing was also interesting. I find matches refereed by both Marty & Michael quite frustrating to watch .. to put it mildly ..

celt262 Registered User
#327

Double post from my iphone

celt262 Registered User
#328

DARK-KNIGHT said:



Also the reason I generally don't elaborate here is I use an iPhone not a pc or laptop and I find it a pain in the ass to type on it but sure you coming from CIIAAAVAAAN must be über intelligent eh??


How is any of that relevant to the thread?

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StupidLikeAFox Registered User
#329

Team to play against meath has been announced. Would worry about midfield -

1. Shane Connolly St. Laurence’s



2. Hugh McGrillen Celbridge

3. Michael Foley Athy

4. Peter Kelly Two Mile House



5. Eoin Doyle Naas

6. Morgan O’Flaherty Carbury

7. Ollie Lyons Celbridge



8. Emmet Bolton Eadestown

9. Robert Kelly Straffan



10. James Kavanagh Ballymore

11. Mikey Conway Nurney

12. Padraig O’Neill St. Laurence’s



13. John Doyle Allenwood

14. Tomás O’Connor Clane

15. Eoghan O’Flaherty Carbury

#330

klairondavis said:
Also the Leinster Council and Croke Park seem determined to build another 30,000ish ground on the outskirts of Dublin in the medium term. As a result, it is highly unlikely that Kildare or Meath would get much, if any, financial assistance to redevelop their own stadia. There was speculation a few months ago that any new stadium around the M50 would serve as a home ground for Kildare, Meath, Wicklow and Louth!

I think this plan is one of the reasons that the GAA has cut the maximum attendance of both St. Conleth's and Páirc Tailteann. Amazingly, PT's official capacity is only 10000 now, despite 20000 easily fitting into it in the Meath - Kildare game last year and it's capacity being 30000 at the start of 2011. Apparently the grass banks at both ends are too dangerous and have been closed off this year Meanwhile, Walsh Park in Waterford has grass banks surrounding three sides of the pitch which were fully open to the public this year in the NHL.

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