Lockstep Boondock Saint
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For moving abroad, will a law degree be sufficient or would you need to have completed a training contract/finished deviling before you have any chance of finding work abroad?

I'd be well up for moving abroad but if I'm not going to be staying in Ireland, would rather avoid the money involved in qualifying as a solicitor/barrister.

Jev/N Registered User
#47

Lockstep said:
For moving abroad, will a law degree be sufficient or would you need to have completed a training contract/finished deviling before you have any chance of finding work abroad?

I'd be well up for moving abroad but if I'm not going to be staying in Ireland, would rather avoid the money involved in qualifying as a solicitor/barrister.


Well, you'll have get a professional qualification somewhere, whether that be here or abroad.

A law degree would get you a number of jobs, or at least interviews, in other common law (and civil) jurisdictions, but obviously you'd need a solicitor/barrister qualification (be it Irish or domestic in whatever country you intend to work) to practice.

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kronsington Registered User
#48

Hope you're all well. I am at a serious crossroads now. Will be qualified over the next few weeks and will be out of the office at the end of june. I am genuinely not sure if i want to remain in law at this point and think i need some time to think things through, clear my head and decide what i'd like to do next or what my options (if any) are. Ideally, I'd like to move abroad for 6/7 months, get a job and earn some cash for some possible travelling. Short term, if I could a job in OZ, Can that is law related or something off the back of the qualification, I would take it. Long term, I am not so sure. Any advice? As Ive said in this forum i am very much thinking bigger picture and whether there is a future in this. the money is terrible, the stress, pressure and everything else, really, right now do not feel worth it. Anyone in a similar situation or think I am talking complete nonsense?

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hada Registered User
#49

kronsington said:
Hope you're all well. I am at a serious crossroads now. Will be qualified over the next few weeks and will be out of the office at the end of june. I am genuinely not sure if i want to remain in law at this point and think i need some time to think things through, clear my head and decide what i'd like to do next or what my options (if any) are. Ideally, I'd like to move abroad for 6/7 months, get a job and earn some cash for some possible travelling. Short term, if I could a job in OZ, Can that is law related or something off the back of the qualification, I would take it. Long term, I am not so sure. Any advice? As Ive said in this forum i am very much thinking bigger picture and whether there is a future in this. the money is terrible, the stress, pressure and everything else, really, right now do not feel worth it. Anyone in a similar situation or think I am talking complete nonsense?


Well, what type of practice did you train in? Commercial, criminal, general? Reputation of the firm you trained with?

If it was a big commercial firm, there might be jobs for you in Oz.

Consider looking into academia? Plenty of scope for travel abroad there.

kronsington Registered User
#50

hada said:
Well, what type of practice did you train in? Commercial, criminal, general? Reputation of the firm you trained with?

If it was a big commercial firm, there might be jobs for you in Oz.

Consider looking into academia? Plenty of scope for travel abroad there.


General Practice in Limerick- nowhere near on the level of the big commercial firms

Haven't considered academia but i guess it wouldn't hurt at this point

galwaybetty Registered User
#51

Kronsington, Im in a pretty similar situation too. Im in a general practice firm in County Dublin. While I am glad I got experience in Personal Injury, Crime, Family,Debt Collection, Licensing and Employment I have virtually no Conveyancing or Probate experience.

I have spoken to my boss and he has indicated to me that while they would like to keep me on, it would have to be on a month by month basis. I know I have no prospects in that particular firm but I would like to do some Conveyancing or Probate before I go elsewhere.

Re leaving the law :I love my job, love the people, but I am tired of panicking every time I go to the ATM.

I attended a careers workshop recently and Keith O Malley said not to leap into just any job, that you can paint yourself into a corner by going into a specialised area. Id like to stay in general practice, but I know the smaller firms are less likely to hire newly qualified solicitors!

Lots of my tutorial group in Blackhall are emigrating to the UK or the States. At least one of them is talking about leaving the law altogether to get a job that will actually pay him a decent wage. Ive been considering moving to the States to work as a paralegal to work in Intellectual Property or Medical Litigation. Ive also been thinking about working as inhouse counsel with an Insurance company.

Anyway, good to see someone else panicking, I was wondering if I was being overly pessimistic....

galwaybetty Registered User
#52

Well I'm out of my place at the end of June. I have heard about a few people getting jobs, so Im hoping theres more out there. I guess all I can do is bang out the cvs and see what happens.

#53

Lockstep said:
For moving abroad, will a law degree be sufficient or would you need to have completed a training contract/finished deviling before you have any chance of finding work abroad?

I'd be well up for moving abroad but if I'm not going to be staying in Ireland, would rather avoid the money involved in qualifying as a solicitor/barrister.


Within Europe, it shouldn't matter a great deal. You should read up more on the regulations set down in compliance with this directive in whatever EU jurisdiction you're moving to, if you're moving to a European jurisdiction.

I'm doing a postgrad at the moment but would have no hesitation about relocating in the EU, and I can't understand why more individuals don't take up these opportunities, whether qualified here or just graduated with a law degree; it's an ideal alternative that could suit a lot of people, especially those who have studied law with a language.

BillyMitchel Registered User
#54

I'll be starting a law in NUI in Sept and this thread was depressing as hell to read!

Anyone brave enough to predict massive improvements in 4 years? Studying law is something I've always been passionate about and have always wanted to do but it's never really been an option until now, I really don't want to change my mind. It's also going to cost me a small fortune in fees etc and thats something else I have to keep in mind.

I've also sent out some letters and CV's to local practices for some work experience over the summer. I'd be happy with a few hours a week, just to even get a feel of the working environment. This a good idea or waste of time?

It will be my second degree and a complete career change. I'll also be 30 starting so I really cannot afford to make the wrong decision but let me state this again. It's something I'm very passionate about and have wanted to do for a long long time, I'm willing to put every ounce of effort and cent I possibly can to get my law degree.

Sorry if I've gone slightly OT but any responses will be greatly appreciated.

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NoQuarter Registered User
#55

Work experience is one of the best things you can do for your CV and usually during your degree you are only in 4/5 days so you could see if you can work for a firm on fridays and then more over the breaks. That technique got me an offer of a contract which I turned down for other reasons.

Also, what is your first degree?

BillyMitchel Registered User
#56

NoQuarter said:
Work experience is one of the best things you can do for your CV and usually during your degree you are only in 4/5 days so you could see if you can work for a firm on fridays and then more over the breaks. That technique got me an offer of a contract which I turned down for other reasons.

Also, what is your first degree?


Completely unrelated, graphic/web design.

NoQuarter Registered User
#57

BillyMitchel said:
Completely unrelated, graphic/web design.


I ask because some degrees mean that a law degree is not needed to sit the FE1s which are the exams needed to become a solicitor.

Be aware from the start, that a pure law degree is not always the best way to go. Business & Law and other more commercial degrees have a lot of merit depending on what your ultimate goal is.

My advice is to just do it if thats what you want. It is a financial struggle, no doubt about it. Depending on your goal, age isnt much of a factor, for example if you intend on becoming a Barrister, its common to see people in their 30s training.

My advice would be to have a clear goal which will help you set off on the right path.

BillyMitchel Registered User
#58

NoQuarter said:
I ask because some degrees mean that a law degree is not needed to sit the FE1s which are the exams needed to become a solicitor.

Be aware from the start, that a pure law degree is not always the best way to go. Business & Law and other more commercial degrees have a lot of merit depending on what your ultimate goal is.

My advice is to just do it if thats what you want. It is a financial struggle, no doubt about it. Depending on your goal, age isnt much of a factor, for example if you intend on becoming a Barrister, its common to see people in their 30s training.

My advice would be to have a clear goal which will help you set off on the right path.


Thanks for the replies.

While i was applying to colleges DIT came back and offered this post grad: http://www.dit.ie/socialscienceslaw/law/postgraduateprogrammes/postgraduatediplomainlaw/ I did think about just doing the post grad but I thought employment opportunities would be much better if I had an actual law degree. The lecturers I spoke to at various universities agreed that having a law degree would increase my prospects as to just having the post grad.

It's the LLB course I'm doing in NUIM.

At this stage my goal is solicitor but that could change to barrister while in college.

Manach Moderator
#59

BillyMitchel said:
Completely unrelated, graphic/web design.

Best of luck. My ex-Team lead in the IT industry went the FE1/apprentice route to become a solicitor.

NoQuarter Registered User
#60

Make sure to look into whether you can sit any of the FE1s before you get your law degree, it might be possible as you already have a degree. If it is possible, make sure to do them throughout your degree while you are covering those topics in the degree. That could save you a year or two.

Other than that, try your hardest to get an internship during every summer you are off and build up the CV with extra curriculars.

Good luck, you'll need it.

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