Gremlin Registered User
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maccored said:

There is much talk of various dimensions in science these days, so its an interesting idea. aliens might not be from a different planet, but instead from a different dimension.


... and maybe they are not. Again alternate dimensions are just a hypothetical postulation. Even if they did exist there can be no assumption that they can in any way interact withour own reality. When you have two possibilites, i.e. 1 - UFO sightings are caused by interaction with an alternate reality or 2 - UFO sightings are nothing more than popular culture being used to explain perfectly naturally occuring phenomenon, then is it not reasonable to take the view that the one which doesn't require any science outside of our current understanding is the likely answer?

Gremlin Registered User
#17

jonbravo said:
jose bonilla


....photographed high flying geese.

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#18

Gremlin said:
....photographed high flying geese.

one persons geese is another mans ufo.

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The one I talk about in that thread is interesting, scroll down a bit, I can't sufficiently explain it.


http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056284240

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maccored Registered User
#20

The DMT argument is very persuasive - plus it explains how people can claim to be abducted in the middle of a city yet no-one else ever seems to witness the event.

Graham Hancock wrote a great book on it - http://home.comcast.net/~lang.craig/DMT_PSI.htm . Check out the Coast to Coast interview as well

Gremlin said:
... and maybe they are not. Again alternate dimensions are just a hypothetical postulation. Even if they did exist there can be no assumption that they can in any way interact withour own reality. When you have two possibilites, i.e. 1 - UFO sightings are caused by interaction with an alternate reality or 2 - UFO sightings are nothing more than popular culture being used to explain perfectly naturally occuring phenomenon, then is it not reasonable to take the view that the one which doesn't require any science outside of our current understanding is the likely answer?

#21

i think in respect to the OP, abductions are a whole other kettel of fish.. first we must ascertain whether ufo's actually exist or not. even as a firm blue in the face believer of ufos, i remain on the fence with regards to abductions but i can't discount other peoples experiences just because they're not my own.

some food for thought: i know you didnt ask for 'youtube' links and such but this documentary pertaining to animal mutilations just happens to be hosted there.

Silent Killers

Richard D. Hall investigates the subject of Animal Mutilation in the U.K. In various locations within the UK, there are incidents of recurring animal deaths. The injuries on the animals are totally in-explicable showing surgical precision.

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Gremlin said:
... and maybe they are not. Again alternate dimensions are just a hypothetical postulation. Even if they did exist there can be no assumption that they can in any way interact withour own reality. When you have two possibilites, i.e. 1 - UFO sightings are caused by interaction with an alternate reality or 2 - UFO sightings are nothing more than popular culture being used to explain perfectly naturally occuring phenomenon, then is it not reasonable to take the view that the one which doesn't require any science outside of our current understanding is the likely answer?


I have to say, Im glad science has never adopted this attitude, since if it did it would have died a death and stagnated years ago. Plus, you say 'hypothetical postulation' whereas many scientists now view alternate dimensions as decent theory. check out the second show ("Is There an Edge to the Universe?") of the new series of Through the Wormhole - theres a few of them on that talking about such things.

autocharge Registered User
#23

Looks like people have being seeing strange things in the sky for a very long time http://alien-ufo-research.com/aliens_in_ancient_history/

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murrayp4 Registered User
#24

Here is Prof Michio Kaku's take on UFOs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pw13F7ahjY

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Gremlin Registered User
#25

Thanks for all the feedback everyone. I do genuinely appreciate it, even if I don't necessarily concurr with your opinions, I am genuinely enjoying reviewing all of this.

What I'm really trying to acheive here is stripping away the red herrings (and I'm sure most will agree there's an awful lot of it) to see what's really there which stands up to scrutiny. Honestly I am genuinely open to some of the ideas presented.

I suppose what it really boils down to from a personal level is what burden of proof do you place on yourself before you accept something as fact. In my case the requirements are pretty rigorous. However I personally wouldn't have it any other way. In review I do think its a little unfair of me to so agressively try to strip some of this stuff apart here so I wont be doing that anymore to such an extent. I'll do that off board so to speak.

From my own POV what I'm seeing is that really there is no 'proof' per-se. What it comes down to is a personal choice whether you accept what your presented with and are prepared to take at least a bit of a leap of faith to draw the conclusion that UFO phenomenon are real and are of ET phenomenon. Until I see something more convincing, I'm not prepared to do that just yet. This is just my opinion which I certainly think is just as valid (but not in any way more so) than everyone elses.

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Ziycon Registered User
#26

Over the years I've investigated and looked into many reports from within and around Ireland and to date I've only come across a handful of reports that where 'unexplainable', thats not to say they are out of this world or ET in origin but merely that the source/origin is unknown to myself and anyone investigating the report.

You can't give any unexplained sighting/incident any label apart from unknown for the simple fact that you have no basis to put any source/origin to it, its like being a IT engineer and diagnosing a medical condition on a sick patient, its just ludicrous, you have no idea were to start when labeling the unknown incident/object.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to be able to explain all reports but its just not always going to be possible.

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Gremlin Registered User
#27

Ziycon, Excellent post. Without trying to sound too patronising, I think you and your organisation provide exactly the sort of rational, non-emotional analysis that the field desparately need. Sadly a group like yours is less vocal than the hysterical mobs that are so easy to find on the net. Probably more importantly you attempt to gain nothing from it except knowledge. Sadly there are qute a few who see the dollar signs when the word UFO is mentioned. I've been looking through your website. I see a reference to Betty Meyler RIP. A lovely lady with whom I've had the pleasure of discussing with a few times. Although as you can imagine, we didn't always see eye to eye on this subject area but I always respected her motives and her deep seated beliefs.

Gremlin Registered User
#28

....and sometimes you just gotta laugh.

http://alien-ufo-research.com/alien_pictures/

Look at the very last one of the page in particular 'Accidental Alien Snap Shot-Chile'. Gave me a good old fashioned giggle.

#29

with respect to your last post gremlin, i would whole heartedly agree, i used to be on your side of the fence, but for some peculiar reason found myself in the middle of such experiences that threw me very much, over the fence.. and while i still totally respect your stance on these matters, i can't wait around wasting my breath trying to convince you otherwise (though obviously you never asked for that ... which is why i suggested you start looking at the sky, because there is no material evidence that exists that will convice you otherwise unless you witness it with your own eyes. we dont have any information because its all UP there (and because 'they' are way ahead of us in any sense of the word).. we dont have scientific evidence because science has failed us..and these days is very much governed by grants and ideals that will make money... and to a certain degree, because scientists are so self involved in the things we cant see, that they fob off all those things that people can see.. as if people cant accurately describe their experiences unless theyre scientists themselves? people profess science to be so perfect, but even science itself, regardless of its rigour, falls prey to the weakness in our intellect.. god knows how many times it took a few hundred years for a mathematical proof or such to ring true in our little heads.. no matter how 'wrong' the most prestigious minds alive would have professed or made us believe otherwise.

there is so much knowledge available to people these days if anyone has the slightest bit of sense they can make good use of it. without passion, those things are meaningless.. and to to antother extent, there are people far more knowledgeable about things that could never be taught in any school. for me .. there's such irony in the fact that we have an organisation like SETI thats spends millions upon millions scanning the universe for life when its right here in our face.. nevermind the fact that the they tune their instruments in such an infantile way (but i do commend them for trying) .. but what a waste of potential..

edit ( i was so drunk when i wrote this )

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easychair Banned
#30

jonbravo said:
Astronomy and photographic proof
The Dogons of Mali,incredibly,knew of the star sirius centuries before human astronomers located it. other ufo witnesses have spoken of meetings with beings who came from planets as yet undiscovered-galaxies other then our milkly way. Earthly science says this is impossible.....yet, how is this possible!?
during the nineteeth century astronomer's often saw ''meteors'' which behaved oddly. One mystery occured at the observatory at zacatecas{ Up in the Mexican Mountains}.
jose bonilla had been investigating sunspots and was using a camera attached to the telescope to record them,glowing objects were crossing the face of the sun so he took pictures to prove this was no hallucination.
bonilla reported in the astronomical press; and i quote....

I was able to fix there trajectory across the solar disk....some appeared round or spherical,but one notes in the photographs that the bodys are not spherical but irregular in form.
before crossing the solar disk these bodys threw out brilliant trains of light but in crossing the sun they seem to become opaque and dark against its brighter background.

Bonilla was convinced the objects were not as far as the moon away but just outside the earths atmosphere all the same.
he was the first to prove he saw a ufo by taking its photograph.
that was in August 1883.

Back to nowadays...
The high level of ifo's within the ufo evidence does not consign the mystery of ufos to the relms of the solved world, even with known developed stealth aircraft it is almost certain tests were carried out,One that comes to mind is the RPV- remotely piloted vehicles{ like model aircraft} which is used to go into enemy territory.
Britain is at the forefront of such craft and have being used over northern ireland in the past.NOT everything in the sky is meant to be there!!

I do find it odd that over 100 years has pasted since the first ufo photograph.....and still with technology people can't see the photographic proof!? nor will i do anyone else's homework with regard this subject.

just to add, Another time to sky watch for ufo's is after a spell of bad weather ,the frontal pressure systems responsible for this change can spring ufo active areas into life......so its worth a go were ever you live!!


Of course, there are lots of things which remain unexplained. But thats not to say the only possible explanation is UFO's. I find it hard to take "after a spell of bad weather ,the frontal pressure systems responsible for this change can spring ufo active areas into life.." seriously, and can't imagine there are lots of UFO lying dormant somewhere, just waiting for a spell of bad weather before springing into life.

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