eire4 Registered User
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Big disappointment on Sunday really. While we were not at our best we were the better side on the day and created enough chances to win the game. But credit to Kilmarnock. They came to play and had a go. They scored late on, got the benefit of a no call on the pk, played at the max of their ability while Celtic were not at their best. In other words all the ingredients for an upset.
The penalty incident was bad. It was a clear penalty but nonetheless we only have ourselves to blame for not taking our chances.

Dempsey Registered User
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Eirebear said:
Of course, if he did give the penalty - you would be giving him exactly the same abuse as you did when he gave the broadfoot one...right?

Or, just like the Rangers "Goal" during the new year game when we were all treated to "neither the referee or the linesman could see it, therefore couldnt give the goal".

Make up your mind man.


Whats the Broadfoot one?

I do remember one incident where he gave a penalty with his back to play. Should have been marked down for that.

If the referee was downgraded over the goal in the new years game, id have no problem with that.

Referees do get marked down/downgraded for making mistakes, why should it be different in this scenario?

Jelle1880 Registered User
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Dempsey said:
Nelson has admitted there was contact with Stokes in the tackle. Even if he didnt admit it, you could see the guilty look in his face when Collum was running over.


Nelson also said that Stokes after the game (upon seeing the incident) said he 'wasn't sure'.

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Broxi_Bear_Eire Registered User
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Jelle1880 said:
Nelson also said that Stokes after the game (upon seeing the incident) said he 'wasn't sure'.


Sure that means it was a penalty

Dempsey Registered User
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Jelle1880 said:
Nelson also said that Stokes after the game (upon seeing the incident) said he 'wasn't sure'.


You like to get bogged down in irrelevant things.

A tackle from behind where you get the player but none of the ball should be a penalty according to the rules of the game. Simple as. The officials got it wrong, they should be made accountable for their mistakes. You are either trolling or dont know the rules of football.

Brewster Registered User
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Jelle1880 said:
Nelson also said that Stokes after the game (upon seeing the incident) said he 'wasn't sure'.


You like to get bogged down in irrelevant things.

A tackle from behind where you get the player but none of the ball should be a penalty according to the rules of the game. Simple as. The officials got it wrong, they should be made accountable for their mistakes. You are either trolling or dont know the rules of football.


Demps, there is no conclusive proof that he was taken out. The Killie player pulls out of tackle at last second. He doesn't follow through with his leg. This is one of these decisions that you can debate all night long. For every Celtic fan who thinks it was a penalty, there will be one who thinks it wasn't. The ref has a split second to make a decision and unless he is 100% convinced it's a peno he can't give it. Talking about Collum being made accountable is farcical when clearly there is such uncertainty over the decision three days later with he benefit of dozens of replays. This is football, Celtic only have themselves to blame for not scoring the goals to keep the treble dream alive. The players need to take responsibility for their actions or inaction in this case, instead of trying to lay the blame at the poor officials.

Brewster Registered User
#5,257

I didn't see a post about this but I think Lenny deserves great credit for the 26 game unbeaten run he oversaw. After the start to the season he had when the knives were out for him, to turn it around in such style he deserves all the plaudits. It was disappointing for the run to end in a cup final. I think with all the problems going on at Rangers, Celtic's great run has been under the radar a little.

Jelle1880 Registered User
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Dempsey said:
You like to get bogged down in irrelevant things.

A tackle from behind where you get the player but none of the ball should be a penalty according to the rules of the game. Simple as. The officials got it wrong, they should be made accountable for their mistakes. You are either trolling or dont know the rules of football.


You're the one who mentioned Nelson, how is it irrelevant when I say that the same guy said that Stokes himself was unsure about the incident ?

Surely if Stokes wasn't sure then there's no cause to blame the referee for his decision ?

PauloMN Moderator
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Brewster said:
I think with all the problems going on at Rangers, Celtic's great run has been under the radar a little.


It hasn't been, to those that matter anyway. It's been appreciated by every single Celtic supporter out there, as will this SPL title.

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Brewster Registered User
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Brewster said:
I think with all the problems going on at Rangers, Celtic's great run has been under the radar a little.


It hasn't been, to those that matter anyway. It's been appreciated by every single Celtic supporter out there, as will this SPL title.


I thought it would be appropriate to highlight the great run once again Paul.

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PauloMN Moderator
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Brewster said:
I thought it would be appropriate to highlight the great run once again Paul.


Wasn't having a go mate, just pointing out that any nonsense talk of tainted titles isn't going to spoil our party in any way.

Dempsey Registered User
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Brewster said:
Demps, there is no conclusive proof that he was taken out. The Killie player pulls out of tackle at last second. He doesn't follow through with his leg. This is one of these decisions that you can debate all night long. For every Celtic fan who thinks it was a penalty, there will be one who thinks it wasn't. The ref has a split second to make a decision and unless he is 100% convinced it's a peno he can't give it. Talking about Collum being made accountable is farcical when clearly there is such uncertainty over the decision three days later with he benefit of dozens of replays. This is football, Celtic only have themselves to blame for not scoring the goals to keep the treble dream alive. The players need to take responsibility for their actions or inaction in this case, instead of trying to lay the blame at the poor officials.


Collum has a track record of being poorly positioned, making poor decisions in big matches. Its his job to make spilt second decisions in a high pressure environment, he gets nearly £1000 per game for the privilege. It is grounds for downgrading a referee in any other league and in any other sport. I find it comical that you are all jumping to his defence.

I made no comment on its bearing on the match, I'm just sick of that useless referee getting SPL games and high profile matches. The penalty decision wasnt the only thing he got completely wrong in the final that was significant but to talk about these things would be too much for those that seem to have their own set of rules for the sport.

Jelle1880 Registered User
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Dempsey said:
Collum has a track record of being poorly positioned, making poor decisions in big matches. Its his job to make spilt second decisions in a high pressure environment, he gets nearly £1000 per game for the privilege. It is grounds for downgrading a referee in any other league and in any other sport. I find it comical that you are all jumping to his defence.

I made no comment on its bearing on the match, I'm just sick of that useless referee getting SPL games and high profile matches. The penalty decision wasnt the only thing he got completely wrong in the final that was significant but to talk about these things would be too much for those that seem to have their own set of rules for the sport.


These things even themselves out in the course of a season, right ?

RoryMac Registered User
#5,264

Jelle1880 said:
These things even themselves out in the course of a season, right ?


Maybe it does but we're hardly the only set of fans complaining about the standards of refereeing in the SPL. The below might ring a bell with you

Two home games where we've been cheated, clear and simple.


I wonder if anyone from the club will come out against this inept idiot of a ref.

Doubt it, referees must be the only people who you can't criticise for doing a **** job, unless you want to risk facing a ban.


We can go on another 'Old Firm' roundabout of 'you said this, we said that' if you like but it deflects attention away from the obvious problem of the poor standard of refereeing in Scotland.

For the record, I think it would have been an very harsh penalty in the Killie game and thought Collum did quite well throughout the game but decent refereeing performances should be the norm not the exception.

Jelle1880 Registered User
#5,265

Not saying that at all, the standard of referees is indeed pretty bad.
All clubs get bad decisions against them, I'm just arguing that in this specific case Collum got it right and that the whole debate about demoting him etc. is ridiculous.

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