The Dick van Dyke bit made me laugh. I didn't find the rest funny, not because of its supposed offensiveness but because it was a bit too obvious to warrant a chuckle.
I think the reasons men don't take their health seriously are varied and complex. Funnily enough I think one of the main reasons is that most see it as a waste of time - assuming that there's nothing wrong with them and that "they'll be grand" after a while.
Excellent point.Id be exactly the same,unless Im in absolute bits then I dont go to a doctor.Foolish perhaps but I cant justify to myself going and spending whatever amount of money it costs having medicals or tests when I feel completely fine.
Its certainly nothing to to with society somehow seeing me as being less "manly" or any rubbish like that.
I have a few things to do today so not sure how much time I'll have to give to this.
Anyway, I just had a quick look at the Men's Health Forum in Ireland page:
There is growing evidence that in constructing, displaying and maintaining their male identity, men engage in risk behaviours that can be seriously hazardous to their health. Since sickness may be seen as an expression of weakness, many men may decide not to seek help and, instead, present a stoical, brave and unflinching front to the outside world. This may account, in part, for why - despite their health profile - men in Ireland are reluctant users of health services and continue to present (too) late in the course of an illness.
Demeaning phrases stop men checking health
By Tom Moberly, 29 November 2010
Demeaning phrases used to describe male illness are putting men off accessing health services, a survey suggests.
Demeaning phrases have such as 'manflu' prevented men from seeing a GP
In a survey of 3,000 people, 52% of men said the term ‘man flu’ had prevented them seeking advice for a legitimate illness.
In addition, 53% of men said they worried about wasting GPs’ time. Only 55% of men visit their GP once a year or more, compared with 72% of women.
Many men also said they would not visit their GP if they suffered persistent thirst (80%), frequent urination (77%) and erectile dysfunction (75%), even though such symptoms could be early warning signs of underlying health conditions.
The survey included 1,500 men and was conducted on behalf of Pfizer.
"Hey baby, the reason why I'm sick is because I'm so damn sexy! "
My girlfriend and I were chatting about "man flu" recently and how she wouldn't give me any sympathy over being sick from a hangover (fair enough) or "man flu".
My argument was that she should give me sympathy for "man flu" as it may be the initial symptoms of something like Ebola.
On a more serious note, something that may seem like "man flu" could be just the symptoms of something more serious.
"Demeaning phrases stop men checking health"
I dont agree with this.
A researcher asking a man do you "strongly agree " or "strongly disagree" with the following statement by a vested interest does not constitute anything more than market research by a marketing company as commisioned research by a drug company.
If you want to see whether it is the case you would compare incidents of preventable illnesses in Ireland against international studies of best practice.
There is a huge difference between a cultural belief that a man will not take care of his health and the idea that an informed man will not take care of his health or that health services are not available or affordable for a man to take care of his heath or that the health service spend on women is more than on men.
So are there hard statistics to back this up.
Are there GP studies on this phenomena ?
I've never claimed to be an expert on men's health issues and I've other things on my plate at the moment so don't have much time to devote to looking up men's health research at this time.
However, I do know a bit about medical research in general and even within "fancier" research e.g. the peer-reviewed literature, surveys and such qualitative data do have a place especially when one is looking at attitudes.
I imagine if I was to quote this sort of data:
So I'm not going to respond using any narrow confines put on what might be seen as relevant or convincing - I think whatever I post is going to be criticised.
Anyway, I had a quick look at The Men's Health Forum in Ireland (MHFI) website.
It links to this:
Men in Northern Ireland: Report 3a
Olivia O’Riordan and Paula Devine
The Men in Northern Ireland (MINI) series is produced by ARK, a joint project between Queen’s University Belfast and the University of Ulster. Its aim is to make material on the social and political life of Northern Ireland available to the widest audience.
Respondents were asked in the 2004 Northern Ireland Life and Times Survey, whether they believed men feel embarrassed about visiting doctors and other health services. 86% of men and 91% of women said ‘yes, definitely’ or ‘yes, probably’ which helps to explain why so many men are reluctant to visit their local G.P. In addition, almost a quarter (24%) of male respondents agreed with the statement that men’s health was not taken seriously by the health services. 17% of female respondents also agreed. There was general agreement by 93% of men and 95% of women that men ignore minor health problems until they become more serious.
Figure 2 reflects the results of the 2004/5 Continuous Household Survey which showed that men were significantly less likely than women, to visit a dentist. Less than half the male respondents (47%) reported that they go for regular dental check-ups, while 63% of female
respondents said that they do (see Figure 2).
Data from the 2006 Northern Ireland Life and Times Survey show that 17% of men were quite or very dissatisfied with their local doctors/GP, while only 12% of female respondents were.
Statistics show that over the last few years men have been more reluctant to visit their GP than women. (iptba: I'm not sure if this data really shows this that well) The results of the 2006/7 Continuous Household Survey shows that 12% of male respondents had visited a doctor in the last 14 days while 18% of women had. Figures from
the 2006 Northern Ireland Health and Social Wellbeing Survey show that the proportion of men and women suffering from common conditions are very similar, for example, angina (females 6%, males 7%), diabetes not related to pregnancy (females 4%, males 4%) and heart attack
(females 2%, males 4%). However, the proportion of men having high blood pressure diagnosed by a health professional is much lower than for women (19% and 27% respectively), regardless of age.
Incidentally, here is background information on The Northern Ireland Life and Times Survey before it is criticised:
I am not going to criticize you for higlighting factual information.
If a health issue is health with as a health issue with solid facts great but if its turned into a gender politics hypotheses then the gender arguement obscures the health issue.
It and that joke has misandric connotations in my opinion. Indeed when Googling for information, I found an interesting thread: http://antimisandry.com/chit-chat-main/term-man-flu-used-nurse-excuse-not-examine-18-mth-old-toddler-25357-2.html . Unfortunately, the language (not swearing) may put a lot of people off.
I only skimmed down a bit. Post #18 gets at what I annoys me on the issue:
on the one hand we are told that men don't look after their health and should go to the doctor more quickly with their problems and then simultaneously, with "man flu" men are wimps who complain to readily about their health problems.
I'm not sure if there is much "peer reviewed" research on "man flu" and any possible effects it might have at this stage. Nothing showed up on PubMed. It seems to be a relatively new word and published research can take quite a while between applying for funding (if necessary), getting ethical permission, doing the research and analysing the data, writing up the paper, going through peer review and then even when an article is accepted, it can sometimes take a while for it to be published.
A discussion on men's health and why men may not go to their doctor earlier is a bit broader than simply "man flu" and so might involve a lot less gender politics. I might look for more stats on that in the next while.
Maybe so, but Mother in Law jokes may not be pc either but the phrase lends itself to humour.
Anyway, here is a factual article we posted in our spoof support thread.
As you can see from the article there is a statistical difference between the genders taking sick days in the UK and men take fewer days than women !
it's not funny in the slightest, obvious stereotypical and predictable humour holds no appeal for me
man flu jokes are about as funny as mother in law or blonde jokes i.e. not very, at least in my opinion
jokes that base themselves entirely on lazy labelling are just a bit shoite if you ask me, I am offended more by the fact that they insult my intelligence than anything else
iptba is trying admirably in my view to raise concerns about how men have a more laidback or stoical attitude to health issues (ironically enough the "jokes" suggest men are whingers and complainers about health concerns when the reality is most guys will have to be at deaths door before they seek help)
however with regard to these particular manflu jokes I wouldn't see any agenda at play there other than some rather unfunny comment
I suppose it depends who you are trying to engage in argument wise.
I have a bit of a dose at the moment and was minded by my partner this evening paracetemol & hot drinks.
So a bit of friendly frivolous banter hit the spot for me this evening. A bit of self deprecating humour and then some faux misandry from the ladies in a feed/punchline system.
We do it for the banter - and no it is not serious.
I have manflu right now