Well this is going well
Going really well cavan for sam!
This is so great that it is epic.
All we need now is for Lemlin to arrive between the months of May and June and this thread will take Boards by storm.
Yeah was wondering where Lemlin has gotten to alright.
This thread is going aswell as the Cavan Hurlers are....
Jesus Blackbelt, you have an awful fascination with me
And yes, why wouldn't I be back between May and June. Its when Cavan are in the championship and when I've a direct interest! I don't see alot of GAA happening at the moment to comment on to be honest.
As for Cavan GAA - my views at present.
I was happy to see Val Andrews come back. I thought he left with unfinished business in 2001 and he was the last manager to get us to an Ulster final. I also thought the appointment of Terry Hyland, a local man with good knowledge of local football who is known for not mixing his words, would work well.
However, happy as I am with the appointments, it's certainly clearer than ever that the quality needed in the panel just isn't there to work with. The trouncing by Offaly in the first game of the League was a bitter pill to swallow as we'd just gone well in the McKenna Cup in making it out of the Group stages.
The next League game is vital as it will definitely be the difference between pushing for promotion or fighting relegation. Cavan's aim has to be getting out of Division 3 but, at the moment, we just aren't good enough and it'll be a big turn around if we are in the mix for promotion.
A nice run in the qualifers would be good too but, at present, I'm pleased to see that the last remenants of the 1997 team have left the panel and that Andrews and Hyland can set about working on the team. I think they should be left there for 3 to five years to allow a complete overhaul of the whole county setup.
Now that I'm the first person who has actually given an opinion, maybe the thread will get rolling.
As a Cavan man living in Cork it is rare that i get to see the beloved Breffni play, either live or on tv.
Media coverage outside the county is thin on the ground and even the Celt on-line edition gives little info.
I must agree I'm glad to see Val back after his lenghty absence.
As farr as the results go it's a long way from the buzz of '97.
I hope the county board let management get on with what is a massive rebuilding exercise and that as Lemlin says perhaps in 3 to 5 years we have a team to be proud of.
Anything would be better than the hiding we got by Cork last year !!
There are a number of good young players coming through (Gearoid McKiernan, David Givney, Niall McKiernan) who look like they could make a difference and in Seanie Johnston we have a corner forward who can win any match given the service. Johnston is now 26 or 27 so he has a few years left yet.
A breakthrough is needed at U21 or minor level though. Reaching the Ulster U21 final last year was good but an Ulster title at one of these levels is needed. All too often Cavan have lost to an Armagh or Tyrone team narrowly at minor level only for that team to go on and win the AI. It always leaves you thinking what might have been.
Year after year, Cavan also perform well in the Hastings Cup and constantly beat most opposition in the minor league. For example, last year the Cavan minor team beat the likes of Dublin, Meath and Down in the league. The only team who beat them AFAIK was Armagh and that was by a point.
It's going to take a few years to build up a team though and, as stated, I hope Val and Terry are given the time.
I would like to see a game plan developing so that the last few years of get the ball to jelly and we will be grand stopped.. That is too easy to defend..
Hopefully u21s put in another good year..
Commitment players like keating watters in and working people not dropping off the panel half wat through eg cullivan etc
Coachs at underage have to be better..
Weights systems have to be put in the long term for players to compete in ulster...
To be fair,when looking at underage success,a key factor is to look at what we have been up against in Ulster over the last 15 years.
On a number of occasions, we have been beaten by the eventual All Ireland champions very narrowly
2001 Derry Minors
Marty Clarkes Down Minor team
2008 Tyrone Minor team
These are 3 examples.,there are more.
Look at what that 2008 Tyrone Minor team done to Meath in the All Ireland Semi Final???
Ulster has been by far the strongest province at minor level
winning 7 out of the last 10 Minor All Irelands. Different years, we could have had the 2nd or 3rd best team in the country and still failed to pick up any silverware.
There is a core bunch of footballers on the Cavan panel whom are talented.
Outwith Miller and Jelly,whom we know are 2 of the best in the country.
Dermot Sheridan,Martin Cahill,Mark McKeever,Gunner,Michael H and Ronan Flanagan are talented players.
John McCutcheon,Michael Brennan,Alan Clarke and Nesty in particular have emerged in the last year or two as being more than capable at IC level.
Ray Cullivan and Cian Mackey have only shown their undoubted talents in glimpses at IC level.
Gerard Pierson is one of the most naturally talented footballers in the country,but has also just shown glimpses(His 10 point performance against Meath in Navan,for example)
Keith Fannin is something similar.
Barry Reily,Gearoid McKiernan and David Givney are going to be stars at IC level.
Now im not for one second claiming,we have the talent to be winning all-irelands regularly,but we have enough talent to get out of Division 3, and to start climbing the pecking order in Ulster,instead of battling it out with Fermanagh for the wooden spoon at the bottom.
I'd have to disagree Hammar. I think alot of the Cavan football panel are overrated and there's a big problem with the standard or football in the county. For example, Kingscourt won the senior county championship last year. How did they fare in Ulster?
Cavan Gaels won the senior championship for a number of years and failed to make any headway in Ulster, at a time when they had several of the county starting team, as well as other players who would have made the county team but weren't interested.
I made the point myself about Cavan being narrowly beaten by eventual All-Ireland champions. For example, in 2005 the Cavan U21 team got to the Ulster final and ran Down close. Down then went on to win the All-Ireland. That was a year I thought we were really in with a chance.
However, it's telling of Cavan football. Great losses where we should have performed better. Just look at the Armagh game in 2004 or the Tyrone drawn game in 2005. Either of those could have been wins but IMO from underage level our players hadn't the conviction to get ahead and close the match out.
Success is needed at underage level to get our players used to winning.
Defeat to Limerick yesterday.
0-10-0-5 down and a great comeback until Stephen Jordans sending off virtually took the wind out of our sales,when it was level at 1-11 to 0-14.
We need to do something about all these sendings offs. Jordan got gate against Tyrone in the McKenna Cup earlier on,and you have to feel some sympathy for him,as he is not an IC corner back,and has never played there for Lavey, for whom he lines out at Centre Field or in the half forward line The selection of Alan Clarke,probably our best option at CHB in the corner is another ridiculous decision.
The appearance of Michael Lyng,and Eugene Keating are good signs however.
15 points really should win you a game in the National Football League.
I would disagree with that also.
They are good footballs but to say that they are going to be stars is wrong as none of them have done nothing at IC level as yet.
Jelly does not seem to do it when he is needed and apart form the Wicklow game last year has not done much in Championship games.
Club football in Cavan is poor and the best club players are not making it at IC Level.