He doesn't seem like the same guy.
I started with the stuff that interested me on the stonework. My surprise was that I know one of the churches done by James Senior.
His writing is stylised and magaziney in a Readers Digest or teachers way. Not to my taste. But , so what.
I don't know if he was homosexual ( and it wouldn't bother me if he was) but latent and tortured anything isn't screaming out at me here.
Anyway -glad you enjoyed it.Maybe others would pick up on stuff that interests them on it and maybe we can see more of the guy.
Fasinating discussion lads, keep it coming!
can anyone recommend some decent reading material on the man and his life?
im a little bit apprehensive of dudley edwards...................or perhaps I can be swayed upon your recommendation
Housemate is not home til this evening and he is the know all in this house. I will ask him later and post links for you then
I don't know if I would want to read Dudley Edwards book either. It does not look like she knows that much about him and resorts to psychobabble to fill the gaps.
A huge gap in her article on Pearse and his relationship with his half sister and brother and their families.If I could find it.........
I picked up what I did on an internet search looking for details of the work James & Willie did as monumental/ecclesiastical sculptors and where they could be seen in Dublin. So it was not hidden.
The blood sacrifice thing , I don't get that either, g-g-granduncle hanged by the British in 1798 in the family history. It was a distinct possibility that the leaders if put on trial would be executed. They knew they were not going to have a military victory( Willie did get harshly treated.). The death penalty did get used in those days - Lord Haw Haw executed 40 years later. So I dont buy it.
The girlfriend bit. He did not seem as isolated socially from the snippits I have read. Maybe he was a slow mover. And a popular literary magazine editor would have to have some social skills.
And, a more likely explanation for the isolated family reputation is the "family scandal" and people keeping schtum as opposed to anything else.
Just a few observations.
That is simply not true. Maybe 1% of the book is 'pyschobabble'.
I dunno Denerick. I havent read the book - but here are some extracts from an article she wrote for the Indo.
He assisted running the family business following his fathers death , it was dissolved owing to an economic slump and possibly the scandal involving his brother-in-law.
There were 6 in the blended family and not 4 and 2 of them married and Pearses ladyfriend drowned tragically. His half sisters husband ran off with the home help. He was friendly with his nephew, his half sisters son.
How can she talk about "strange inwardness" of a family she knows so little about - she gets the composition totally wrong.
The Pearse boys could also have been up & down to Monto every chance they got and she wouldnt know.
His sister, for instance, didn't want him at the GPO
She may not have been disposed to marrying at all if she was suffering from depression.Depression is an illness.
So what I am saying , is she speculates ,which she is entitled to do, but she gets it factually wrong on the composition of his family etc.
Her article for the Independent would not draw me to her book.
I have mixed views on 1916 in Dublin and my grandfather was involved in Cork and felt it was the right thing. On the "Troubles" - he certainly didnt want his children or his grandchildren involved. That is another issue.
Michael Collins didnt consider Pearse much of a leader.
Anyway, the truth is a lot racier then what we normally read about Pearse and his life and makes it more believeable..
Good points CDfm, many of those claims are just obviously absurd, Connolly and DeV both had a young family and wife for instance yet it didn't stop them, as did many others, Pearse hardly turned his back on romantic interests for that reason if he did stop taking an interest.
Dozens or perhaps hundreds of people similar to Mary Bridget asked their relatives and friends to give up or return home.
Some pics from a Pearse Gallery
Pearse with a group of people, c. 1905.
(Back row, from left): William Pearse, Harry Clifton, Patrick Pearse, E. Ni Niocoil, Mr Geoghegan, (front row) Edward Sheridan, Professor Mary Hayen, [...]
I found a pic of Patrick Pearse with Eveleen Nicoll
Hannah Sheehy-Skeffington and Margaret Pearse c. 1921.
Margaret Pearse was the mother of Pádraig and William Pearse. A native of Co. Meath, she joined Sinn Féin after the 1916 Rising. She was elected a Sin [...]
Pádraig Pearse in his barrister's robes c. 1914.
And there are more here
Now here is a link that discribes in a page how the standard historians view Pearse
I really wish Ruth Dudley Edwards didn't write her stupid columns in the Daily Mail and in the Indo. It makes it ever more difficult to enjoy her biography of Pearse (Which I have always found interesting, a little explosive, but contrary to general opinion actually rather fair)
The bit the hits out at me here is that Pearses personal failure as an " artist , educator and dramatist lead him to embrace violent republicanism"
So what do we know of Pearse and his career.
We know that at 22 in 1900 his Dad died and the Census in 1901 lists him as the Head of the Household.
We also know that he had qualified as a Barrister - but we do not know if he was attached to any Chambers - young barristers often are subsidised by their families. Is it reasonable that he could have pursued a career at Law at that time.
As an artist/writer well he worked as Editor of An Claidheamh Soluis / Conragh Na Gaelige from 1903 to 1909 and accounts have him as being sucessful.
Do we know if he made any money out of it.??
Dramatist ? - he and his brother ran a business and were brought up with the concept of a buyer and a seller. He also sometimes called himself a sculptor.
He set up St Enda's in 1909 - his brother in law Alfred McGlouglain drew up the plans and suddenly disappeared. His mother is installed as the housekeeper in the new venture and his brother a sculptor of some promise accepts commisions while teaching Art & Physical Education at the school.
Now , you don't have to be a historian to give this a shot.
The Second Part of his adult life is post An Claidheamh Soluis when he set up St Enda's, Irish Volunteers , etc. His Dad had been a Parnellite etc.
The theory on Pearse has been "suicide by uprising" .
I just latched on to this by accident after asking about Pearse sculptures and finding some references to a lost side of the family. I wanted to find out more about James Senior & William. I thought I knew about Patrick.
What I am trying to do here is ask questions and probing the theories.
I have done this with John Jinks too.
I really would like to know more and we know that the gaps were there for a reason.
It is also an interesting piece of social history too.
So is the Pearse here the man you knew.
Pearses school was not a Financial Success and he was responsible for making Irish compulsory for entry into the NUI.
By extention he made Irish compulsory in Irish schools or at least influenced it,
Irish & NUI Entry - Pearses legacy
He argued with lots of people
Many former St Enda's pupils joined him in the rising.
His finances were precarious from the very begining and he was refused a loan for the venture. So he may have been very reckless.
Also, his educational aspirations may have influenced his shift to an extremer form of nationalism. Look around and we see 30 teachers in the new Dail and 38 in the last one.
He may have personalised the issues.
Here is a very interesting Article on publishing the schools magazine.
Even boards.ie is not owned by a benevolent benefactor but has to pay it way in the form of advertising.
Anyone who has worked in publishing will know that the revenue of a magazine is a combination of (cover price sales) and advertising sales revenue.
This article is by Dr Colum Kenny of DCU Lecturer in Communications.
What I am interested in here really is Pearses life and finances between say 1900 & 1909 and specifically if he made any money writting and editing An Claidheamh Soluis.
The other thing -was did he contribute in any way to the running of Pearse & Sons .
So , what do we know about his occupation & lifestyle ?
Did he bet on horses , did he like a pint etc.
It has been said that Patrick dressed in womens clothes and went to Monto . Now I have looked for a source and all I got was Dublins walking tours.
I dont know what students were like in those days but I have been a rock festivals in Germany where lads do that and
The Classic in Rathgar ran the Rocky Horror Show for 21 years - so there is no real inference one way or the other here. Now I havent been but quite a few friends who lived in the area and are heterosexual used to make the trip. Some dressed up.
So what was the guy like in that decade in his 20's - 1900 to 1910 ???