Here is some more on James
We know he was self self educated and his books formed the nucleus of St Endas Library.
He was a bit of a radical beneath it all.
If James was around today he probably would be a mod on the Humanities Forum
Willie was probably more like James.
I saw a programme on the History Channel about a guy who set up a boarding school circa 1880 that was something like St Enda's for the sons of tradesmen made good.
Pearse had also sucessfully ran " An Claidheamh Soluis" which was a considerable acheivement .
These guys were quite able especially when their father was alive.
And the family dynamic and squables following their deaths
Was that this guy
Maybe CDfm or wolfpawnat could tell me since you seem to know quite a lot about Pearse. Longford's county ground Pearse Park is named in honour of him. Now I know their are many GAA clubs around the country named after him, but did he have a specific link to Longford ?
Which just goes to show how he, Wolfe Tone, Collins, O'Donovan Rossa etc were and still are regarded as the hero's who selflessly gave all for the freedom of the country rather than the windbags who enjoyed the perks of office and just went to Westminister to make empty speeches to empty benches.
I know very little about him but his mother was a Brady from Co Meath.
I suspect (and I got this from the radio on Friday during the election talk moratorium) that in 1966 things like railway stations were renamed in honour of the 1916 signatories - so it is likely that that was the reason.
EDIT - list of GAA Stadia and who they are named for " In the name of the forefathers"
The Pearses did do a lot of Church Work- altars and the like so there may be a loose connection thru that or his mothers family.
I am just looking up stuff that will give me an idea what he was like as a man as opposed to the wishy washy guy we got brought up with.
EDIT St Bridgets Church Ardagh Co Lomgford
I did a bit of digging and found a reference to James Vincent Pearse on a Geneology Site -from who appears to be a grandson of James Vincent and grand nephew of Patrick & Willie
So there is a side to the Pearse family we did not know about -who were probably stonemasons too. Older than Patrick & Willie and who were very distressed at their deaths.
It is likely that Willie worked with them following the sale of the family business and that may be some of the reason why it is not talked of- their desire for privacy.
EDIT - Some more Willie Pearse works
William (Willie)James Pearse born November 15,1881 at 27 Great Brunswick Street, Dublin, he was the younger brother of Patrick Pearse.
William inherited his father's artistic abilities and became a sculptor. He was educated at the Christian Brothers School, Westland Row. He studied at the Metropolitan Shcool of Art in Dublin under Oliver Sheppard. He also studied art in Paris. While attending the Kensington School of Art he gained notice for several of his artworks. Some of his sculptures were to be found in:
Limerick Cathedral, St. Eunan's, Letterkenny and several Dublin churches including Terenure His well known figure of "The Mater Dolorosa" in Mortuary Chapel, St. Andrews Westland row appears a tragic and prophetic masterpiece. Throughout the countryside you may find his sculptures of the Dead Christ and the Immaculate Conception. The O'Mulrennan Memorial in Glasnevin and a memorial to Father Murphy in Wexford are also his works.
And this seems to be the first family of James Pearse family
- Baptism of JAMES VINCENT PEARSE of 3 BLOOMFIELD PLACE on 8 January 1867 Parish/Church/Congregation - ST. PETER Area - DUBLIN (COI) Area - DUBLIN (COI), Parish/Church/Congregation - ST. PETERBaptism of JAMES VINCENT PEARSE of 3 BLOOMFIELD PLACE on 8 January 1867 NameJAMES VINCENT PEARSEAddress3 BLOOMFIELD PLACEFatherJAMES PEARSEMotherEMILY PEARSEFurther details in the recordDate of Birth19 December 1866
- Baptism of MARY EMILY PEARSE of NO 3 PLEASANT VEEND PORTOBELLO on 24 January 1865 Parish/Church/Congregation - ST. PETER Area - DUBLIN (COI)
And here seems to be James Pearse junior in the census of 1901 and he 6 children
I cant see them in the 1911 Census but in 1916 James jnr would have been 50.
And his deceased fathers family
And I wonder if in Glasnevin Cemetary ???
James Pearse, the father of Patrick and Willie was Church of Ireland, not Roman Catholic, however, one of the brothers listed to the James Pearse mentioned above is Henry, which is the middle name of Patrick. All very confusing Will definitely have to ask the housemate!
James converted from C of I to RC prior to marrying Margaret Brady - more than likely at her insistence.His son equally may have converted to marry.
Now I dont know if these are the correct people as it was what the searches threw up and they soft of fit in.
Anyway, its not the first such hidden family we know about, Eamonn DeValera's mother married again as Mrs Catherine Wheelwright
( Now I am not saying hidden in a bad way as it is mentioned that one of the family used to holiday in St Enda's with Pearses sister in the 1940's )
We are used to seeing Pearse as a sort of isolated aesthete and that may not be so true at all. There is a bit more vibrancy about his life and family.
EDIT - I reckon this must knock some of Ruth Dudley Edwards theories on the head
I have done a bit more digging and come up more about the Pearses home life and the Brady's from Nobber Co Meath.
I have found a blog and I do not know how accurate the information is but anyway -here are a few extracts.
How James Pearse met and married Margaret Brady
Pearses Blended family
Margaret was a good step-mother and Pearse was good friends with his stepsisters son Alfred McLoughlin.
The hanged relative of Pearses great great grandfather in 1798.
Eveleen Nicholls is also mentioned here . Students together at UCD and both linguists they were at least friends and possibly more.
She was also a bit of a suffragette.
Who knows - maybe Pearse set up St Enda's because of her.
The McGloughlin connection is true and well known apparently and there is a legitimate and understandable reason why people remained quite about it.
The reason for the silence -was a scandal concerning the husband of Pearses half sister -who was a midwife - as was Nurse Elizabeth O'Farrell who handled the surrender with General Lowe at the end of the Rising
(more on the surrendrer picture and the Hollywood connection here)
I don't know about you guys- but Pearse certainly seemed to have a way with women if he could get a student nurse to walk thru shellfire and machine gun fire for him.
The scandal also might explain the sudden closure of the business in ecclesiastical monuments.
There are a lot of what if's but it would seem that Ruth Dudley Edwards left a lot out of Pearses life when arriving at her speculative conclusions.
Alfred J McGlouglin - Pearses brother in law also was the architect of the Stags Head Dublin
A bit more on the McGloughlins who originated in Sligo
A few more snippits - but this time from Patrick Pearse's own writtings - an unfinished manuscript about his childhood that he had started and not finished.
And it verifies some of the genelogocal bits elsewhere.
His extended family & ancestors etc
His grandfather etc. He obviously got to farms etc and his family was integrated.
His half sister teaching him his letters and her wedding
His half sisters wedding
Interesting to see it in his own words.