Most of the anti kneejerkers in this thread are unaware that
1. Other than Cork - Galway virtually no more Type 1 Roads will be built inteh Republic of Ireland, ever.
2. Type 1 roads are what are designated motorway when feasible ( not around Shannon or Athlone though)
3. Most of the other proposals are Type 2 which is dual carriageway of around the same width as WIDE single lane roads overall.
4. There is no proposal to upgrade the N2 from Ashbourne to Ardee no matter what the loo laas like An Taisce and Sweetman say to the times, nor can one rely on any reseach McDonald may have troubled himself with, this road will never be upgraded bar a mile or so of it around a 17th century ( or something like that ) bridge in Slane
What of the M17 commuter route?
What of the continued land purchases for lands that are falling in value whilst borrowing costs are rising?
What of them ????? Land will continue to fall in value for the next 3-5 years which is no excuse to do nothing for the next 3 - 5 years.
Any difference in land purchase costs between now and say 2014 will be made back by decongesting the current route 4 years earlier than would be the case were one to wait for land prices to fall before building.
Think of all the petrol that will not be burnt as one is no longer stuck in Claregalway or crawling into it...each and every day of the week.
I pay no attention to an Taisce who only represent a shallow but shrill economic stratum of 'green' consultants and conservation architects who get the 'green' jobs for the boys as much as any of the FF brown envelope merchants do.
We cannot afford these useless parasites in our current economic state, let them get themselves useful jobs clearing snow or something
A little lesson in compounding; if you borrow money priced at 9% for 5 years it is equal to 154% if the corresponding land values fall by 10% yoy what you have bought will be worth 59% of what you paid for it; given that Doha will be the next nail in farming's coffin and that the domestic banks won't be doing any speculative lending for the foreseeable future your protestations that buying something you don't need for the next 5 years represents a do nothing nothing option is so ill conceived it beggers belief.
We are not talking about An Taisce who have the right to their opinion on environmental issues; we are talking fiscal responsibility in the context of the IMF signing the cheques. I wish they had been listened to on the M3 and Limerick Tunnel the taxpayer would now be €100m a year better off not to mention the financing costs for the majority of the costs of these projects the exchequer pumped in to give the toll concession owners an earner.
I'll leave you with AA route planner on Cork to Derry
Lets not leave out our mates in Thomond Park en route to the Brandywell
Where are the Ballindyne traffic counts?
sorry I thought as I live in Ireland , I had a right to an opinion on National Roads.... (my opinion is that theres a lot of trolling going on.)
You might want topay attention to the thread, this argument has already been addressed:
As for as you put it, I suggest you come to Galway and try to get about. The traffic in and about town makes Dublin look free flowing. There's a lot of traffic that avoid N17 Tuam-Galway like the plague and take smaller R & L roads because they know that the car will stay moving. I often travel to relatives in south Mayo, and barring the pre-Motorway N6,the N17 is the busiest single carraige road way i've seen. It is on a par with (if not busier than), the N11 at Jack whites,which is a well known bad traffic area and everyone seems to agree that the N/M11 is needed.
To answer the commuter nonsesne, Claregalway a very busy commuter route on a saturday and sunday morning with 2 mile tailbacks into it.
The Atlantic Corridor (which this is part of) is vital to the country for the simple reason that continued development of Dublin is not sustainable. Dublin barely has adequate water for the current population and there's a truly hypocritical proposal to create a 500 acre lake in the bogs of Offaly to cater for the extra demand (environmentalists regularly protest against hydroelectric stations so it's ironic that our green party is proposing destroying 500 acres of habitats, but don't mind objecting to paving in some bog in Galway we we can have some vital infrastructure).
It will not be borrowed at 9% for starters, I see you have no idea how the M17/M18 is to be funded
I take it you mean the Doha "Round", it will have no effect in Connacht The road is needed.
It is neither on the route you selected ( The dreadful N55) nor is it spelt Ballindyne
That is the price of Irish debt; the IMF model is not fixed and yields are rising 106bps in 6 weeks and 13bps today alone. Even if it were a mere 6% which is below what would be paid today under the IMF formula it is still 134% for an asset class in free fall. (Unzoned land vs investment property)
The golden days of agriculture are long gone; each trade round sees further cuts in production subsidies; each fall in subsidies sees a fall in the agricultural value of land; there is no speculative finance so land values will fall.
My point exactly the N17 has no role other than that as a commuter route to Tuam; the Atlantic Corridor is a fiction; you are right on the spelling of Ballindine; any chance of the traffic counts?
Travelling from Cork or Limerick to Derry one does not use the route or travelling from Galway, Limerick or Cork to Omagh one does not use the route and this is accroding to the motorists lobby group the AA; there is nothing other than crayon planning that makes this project look good.
So your gripe is with the Atlantic corridor then, are you proposing an upgrade for the N52? Do you think that these midland routes represent an acceptable standard for a developed country?
For the limited traffic using them and after numerous bypasses of places like Tullamore, Mullingar etc I do; if people don't like that standard they can route via Dublin. Its all very well sitting in Armagh with Uncle George to subsidise your roads budget but in case you hadn't noticed the IMF are signing the cheques these days in Merrion Street. In the past 10 years almost 500 miles of Motorway and Dual carriageway has been added to give a very good road network between the major population centres.
The prime tenant of Adam Smith was that good economy is about the division of scarce resources, never was that truer than today; commuter motorways to towns with an urban population of 3,000 cannot be justified until more pressing needs are addressed.
As an example to demonstrate how ridiculous a statement this is the M8 in Scotland is a dual lane motorway with an AADT of 55,000. I can tell you from first hand experience that it is hopelessly congested and is a major barrier to economic growth in that region. A dual lane motorway has a capacity (not a minimum requirement) of 40,000 vehicles. Any more and it needs to be widened to appropriately accommodate demand.
The M8 connects Glasgow with a population of 1,199,629 with Edinburgh which has a population of 448,624; Tuam has an urban population of 3,000; are you suggesting a monorail from Prestwick to Leith?
What is this fascination with the population of individual towns on a route.
Does the population of Dover or Calais determine the viability of the Chunnel?
The M17 will be part of a route which connects Cork (and Kerry) to Limerick, Galway, Sligo, Letterkenny and Derry.
The section between Gort and Tuam will begin construction next year:
Whinge away. The road is going to be built.
BTW, what connections do you have with An Taisce (based in Tailors Hall)?
Trolling and tendentiousness in the house style from what I can see.... OH!!! and giving An Taisce and Isaac a worse reputation than they already have