galwayguy85 Registered User
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Examining the Kindle store for the UK and the Kindle store for Europe seperately, which irish kindle users are always directed to, there seems to be an enormous disparity in term of price for identical titles, coming down in favour of UK customers. Sometimes the same ebook from the Kindle store can be double the price for European customers.

This should allow to you cease some power when buying Kindel titles, and get the best price possible.

I tried this out earlier and seem to have been successful.. a bit long-winded but well worth persisting with.


1. *Go Amazon.CO.UK as if you were going to buy anything but an english priced ebook (you won't be let anyway... it will force you to go to amazon.COM instead to buy ebooks).
2. *Sign in with your *normal* e-mail address. *(You will also need an alternative e-mail address and in turn a new, alternative amazon account for this cunning ploy to work).
3. *Buy a gift voucher for whatever value you desire. *See*https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/gc/order-email?ie=UTF8&ref_=gc_lp_eb2 and 'gift' that value to your OTHER e-mail address. Best do this for small values initially until comfortabe with the procedure.
4. *Shut down your browser, empty cache, cookies etc to avoid any possible confusion. The application Ccleaner for Windows is effective for this task.
5. *Go to amazon.co.uk and create a new user account, using the alternative e-mail address as the login.
6. *Next, login to your alternative email address account (gmail, hotmail, whatever). *You will see that you have received a gift voucher from yourself.
7. *Inside the e-mail, click on 'Apply to account'. *This will open amazon.co.uk in a new window. *Copy over the code contained in the e-mail to redeem the value of the voucher you sent to yourself.
8. *Next, sign out of the account. Again, trash cookies etc and restart the browser. *
9. *Now goto a proxy server website such as daveproxy.co.uk (This is so as to fool amazon.co.uk that you are shopping from a physical location in the UK). Sometimes daveproxy can return to the homepage when browsing through it, just start repeat this step again if that happens!
10. *From here goto amazon.co.uk
11. *Order yourself the ebook you want at the UK price and pay for it from the voucher. (As an aside this is thesafest way to do things... i'm not an expert on internet security but entering credit card details while using a proxy server sounds like a no-no.)
12. *You'll be asked to provide a UK invoice address. *As you won't be posting/delivering anything physical from this account, just fill it up with anything you want. The address won't be varefied against the fictional postcode. At this time, it might be prudent to deregister your Kindle For Mac/PC application (the one reg'd under your normal account), it also woudn't be a bad idea to rename your orig 'My Kindle Content' in 'My Documents' folder to something else, so that you have a backup, just in case.
13. Go through with that and elect to send the ebook to a particular PC or Mac Kindle device/application. Have the PC or Mac reader application reg'd to the newly created amazon account first though.
14. Open that PC or Mac application.
15. Goto 'Sync and Check for new items'
16. The book you just bought a few moments ago for the UK price should start to download.

Phew!! I know that was very long, and doubtless that somebody will tell me that some of the steps could have been omitted, but the next time you want to buy some books cheaply at UK prices all you have to do is 'gift' yourself a voucher from one amazon account (your original one) to the other (the one that uses the makey-uppy UK address) for the purpose of just buying ebooks

In future when you go to amazon and log in with your alternate account and buy ebooks and then sync. You no longer need to use proxy servers etc. I know it's not as handy as having just one central account, but it will save you money in the long term.

If you haven't already bought a Kindle, you can buy the Kindle from this alternate account and have it shipped to somewhere in Northern Ireland, such as a friend or relative who can then forward it onto you in the Republic. You could save a few euros using this method, plus you get the correct AC adapter for the Kindle. [You can still buy/ship the Kindle direct from the US using your normal, irish billing address amazon account. just specify that the kindle is a gift, that way it won't come reg'd to any amazon account, but this step is entirely optional.]

The above paragraph I HAVE NOT tried for myself. Please do so at your own risk!! { You can always unregister the Kindle from that account if things don't work out anyway, and move it to the original amazon account.}

If you HAVE already bought ebooks under your original amazon account and if you have a PC with the Kindle Reader app and purchased books loaded on it, you can follow the guide at http://nyquil.org/archives/1128-Converting-Kindle-Books-a-painful-process-that-works-for-reading-Kindle-books-without-a-Kindle.html to learn how to strip the books of DRM (copy-protection) and then manually bring them (MOBI fikes) back into the Kindle reader app reg'd to the new alternate account or drag and drop them manully onto the Kindle via USB.


I hope that wasn't too confusing!

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galwayguy85 Registered User
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UPDATE!!

To simply the process of buying ebooks from the alternative amazon account, it is possible to add your normal, irish credit card as a payment method instead of sending gift vouchers from one account to the other. (However it is stlll best to use the gift voucher method when pay for at the initial ebook purchase, as it gives you a chance to enter a madeup UK invoice address without ever entering credit card details, remember this is being done through a UK proxy server. For future visits to the ebook store under this account you won't need to use a proxy server, just go straight to amazon.co.uk and login, from where you can safely add your credit card details.)

I was somewhat apprehensive of doing this, thinking that perhaps amazon enforces a policy of locking a particular credit card number to a particular account, however this is NOT the case.

I think this is a crafty solution to the problem of irish users being forced to pay over the odds for ebooks, i.e have one amazon account with an irish billing and delivery address for real, physical things such as printed books and another amazon account with a madeup UK address for the online delivery of ebooks. Neither account ever has to acknowledge the existence of the other, nor will amazon ever have to know that you have seperate accounts.

I was successfully able to buy the entire works of Shakesphere (as a test) from the UK Amazon kindle for the princely sum of £0.75 or about 90 cents... result!!

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mbroaders Registered User
#3

Thinking of buying a Kindle so interested in this. Is it a case if you do this that you have to only use the made up account to be registered with the Kindle? Or is it possible to have more than one account registered? If not, wouldn't it be an issue if you wanted to purchase books using the 3g connection if you had one?

xavidub Registered User
#4

mbroaders said:
Thinking of buying a Kindle so interested in this. Is it a case if you do this that you have to only use the made up account to be registered with the Kindle? Or is it possible to have more than one account registered? If not, wouldn't it be an issue if you wanted to purchase books using the 3g connection if you had one?


The Kindle is a great device. However, It is ridiculously fragile. You should only buy one if you are satisfied that you will NEVER drop it from more than about 12" off the carpet. Mine slid off the sofa (about 20") onto carpet and the screen completely stopped working. A quick look on the net shows that this is very common so I think it's a design fault rather than just mine being weak.

I previously had a Sony Reader which was much tougher and survived a couple of drops.

The reality is that any portable device is going to be dropped from time to time. Think how many times you have dropped your phone, yet it usually still works.

The Kindle is basically unsuitable for the purpose for which it was designed which is to be a portable book reader.

galwayguy85 Registered User
#5

@mbroaders, my understanding is that it is easy to deregister the kindle from one account and register it to another, however you would lose all the Kindle store-bought content associated with the first account when doing so (amazon keeps an online 'bookshelf' for redownload of all Kindle titles bought under a particular account so you never have to worry about losing your purchases from either account). Each Kindle can only be associated with one account at a given time.

If have doubts about ordering the Kindle itself with a dubious UK invoice address, you can always order it from your standard irish amazon account and specify that it will be a 'gift', that way it won't be pre reg'd to any account. However you will pay slightly more for the device and you will likely need to buy an appropriate AC adapter, as the one included will be for the US market.

Concerning 3G and roaming charges, what amazon says on the matter doesn't seem to be very clear cut. My understanding is that books are free of extra charges/fees no matter where you are, but that you pay a small fee for the 3G delivery of newspaper, magazine and blog content to the device. My guess is that even with the wireless delivery fee included, even if it exists, it would still be cheaper than getting through the irish portal without fees, so extortionate are amazon's prices if you live outside the UK.

Perhaps anybody else could clarify roaming costs?

buttonsflyie Registered User
#6

Hi There

I am looking to buy a UK Kindle for a present to use here in Ireland, I can have it sent to my cousin, so that's not a problem, however can I use it here on roaming? Will I be able to register it to an irish address or will I have to set up a UK account?

Thanks

Buttons

mathie Registered User
#7

buttonsflyie said:
Hi There

I am looking to buy a UK Kindle for a present to use here in Ireland, I can have it sent to my cousin, so that's not a problem, however can I use it here on roaming? Will I be able to register it to an irish address or will I have to set up a UK account?

Thanks

Buttons


According to Amazon it does.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055984893

Wonkagirl Registered User
#8

I am trying to source a kindle- are they only available online? it's not possible to get them prior to xmas in ireland according to amazon.com, and you cant order directly from amazon.co.uk, it redirects you to the .com site.. woudl be ideal (regardless of price!) if i coudl get it in ireland prior to xmas..

in answer to the roaming q- there are no roaming charges on the new 3g version..

blastman Registered User
#9

I ordered one through Amazon.co.uk, and it was dispatched today as they were getting stock in today. It's going to an address in Norn Iron, though, don't know if that's an option for you.

#10

Am I ripping myself off here ?

I have a Kindle DX bought from the States (can't remember why - perhaps the graphite DX was not available through UK) and when I buy books I buy from the US amazon site...it never occurred to me that there might be different prices on UK/Europe sites.

My credit card, delivery address etc. is all irish based and legit but I'm paying dollars.

juke Registered User
#11

If you want to buy books from the co.uk site you need to change your location - go to amazon.com - your account - manage your kindle - and about half way down the page it lists "your country"

If you change it to the UK and input a UK address (I use my brothers) it will prompt you to go to the .co.uk site where you can then log in and buy there.

I chop and change between the two sites without issue - you just need to remember to keep changing your country, depending on which site you want to buy on.

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A Neurotic Registered User
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juke said:
If you want to buy books from the co.uk site you need to change your location - go to amazon.com - your account - manage your kindle - and about half way down the page it lists "your country"

If you change it to the UK and input a UK address (I use my brothers) it will prompt you to go to the .co.uk site where you can then log in and buy there.

I chop and change between the two sites without issue - you just need to remember to keep changing your country, depending on which site you want to buy on.


Simple solution, thank you!

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dubmick Registered User
#13

do you guys find it cheaper to buy from the .co.uk site?

Both my first two purchases were cheaper on the .com site

juke Registered User
#14

Not necessarily, but some book that aren't available to Ireland on the .com site are on the .co.uk one.

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pleasant Co. delightful
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juke said:
If you want to buy books from the co.uk site you need to change your location - go to amazon.com - your account - manage your kindle - and about half way down the page it lists "your country"

If you change it to the UK and input a UK address (I use my brothers) it will prompt you to go to the .co.uk site where you can then log in and buy there.

I chop and change between the two sites without issue - you just need to remember to keep changing your country, depending on which site you want to buy on.


Thanks juke, I knew it was a simple option but forgot where in settings it was located!

You saved me minutes of reading/misreading/re-reading

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