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Alot of other EU countries have National ID cards issued to their citizens. In Ireland we do not have a National ID card which means currently if we want to travel to any of the 26 other countries in the European Union (bar the UK) or to the members outside the EU but within Schengen such as Norway, Iceland and Switzerland we need a passport.

As Ireland has a common travel with the United Kingdom and a shared land border with Northern Ireland (part of the UK) we do not need to show any documentation when crossing the land border nor are there any checkpoints.

When flying from the Republic of Ireland to the UK Valid ID must be shown at checkin with the Airline and varies by airline; Ryanair insist on Passport for Irish citizens on all flights including domestic, wheras other airlines will accept a Drivers Licence or other valid ID for flights to the UK. Upon arrival from the UK into Ireland valid ID must be shown to the GNIB (Garda National Immigration Bureau who mans Passport Control at our airports), This ID can consist of passport or Drivers licence.

I think in Ireland we need a National ID Card as it would allow us to travel without our passports and we now have the ludicrous situation where if I travel by Ryanair within Ireland I must show my passport at checkin and a Valid ID (Passport or Drivers Licence) to Passport Control at Dublin Airport due to Ryanair lumping domestic passengers into International Arrivals instead of routing them separately as domestic arrivals like Aer Arran does on their Domestics.

If we had a National ID card it would allow to travel to these countries without a passport and on Ryanair also, it would make for more convienent travel and cut costs and bureaucracy. If I was to lose my passport I would have to apply for a new one at considerable cost and also have to cancel and re-apply for the Visas I have in my Irish passport meaning alot of bureacracy and hassle.

As a member of the European Union; Ireland is denying its citizens free travel throughout the Union by not issuing ID cards. Imagine a Citizen of the United States in New York being unable to travel to California without a US Passport?? When in reality that New Yorker only needs his driving licence. Nearly all other EU countries have ID cards except the UK who cancelled their ID card programme due to costs.

El Weirdo Registered User

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artanevilla Moderator

I have a passport. Surely the same thing.

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alwaysadub Registered User

I thought they were meant to be bringing them out anyway no?

okioffice84 Registered User

"May I see your papers please?"


If said ID card didn't cost 85€ and is NOT cumpolsory, then yes, I like the idea.

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artanevilla said:
I have a passport. Surely the same thing.

Yes and No, A passport will allow you to travel to all the EU and Schengen areas yes but a passport is both expensive and very valuable. Look at the trouble people are having trying to get passports issued due to the current industrial relations dispute. A passport allows you to travel worldwide and have visas applied to it, a National ID card would allow for easier EU & Schengen travel and is credit card sized and fits in your wallet. A passport is bigger, more valuable and if you lose when abroad you will need to get an emergency one issued from a consular facility to get home.

Abrasax Registered User

Didn't they just announce the scrapping of I.D. cards in the UK, in the Queens Speech yesterday?
I say we copy the Brits on this one occasion.

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Ikky Poo2 said:
If said ID card didn't cost 85€ and is NOT cumpolsory, then yes, I like the idea.

I would be against mandatory carrying of ID cards as it goes against our way of life. I am firmly in favour of them as travel documents for ease of use and as a cheaper alternative to a passport.

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Stinicker said:
Nearly all other EU countries have ID cards except the UK who cancelled their ID card programme due to costs.

Here's your problem.
Unless we plan to print them out with the electronic voting machines in storage.

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mikom said:
Here's your problem.

A national ID card programme could be implemented in a far better way than the UK went about it, they were to create a massive database of personal information and monitor everything, in the process creating massive expenditure and jobs for the public sector. Labour's political ideaology of statist socialism derailed a good plan by making it so bloated and full of H.S.E style "jobs for the boys" that it was the first thing Cameron snipped when he got in. Plus there were privacy concerns due to the way they implemented it. By rolling out our ID card as a travel document rather than a big brother survlliance database then I can imagine the government even making a bit of money out of it.


Why is it such a hassle to bring your passport?

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It depends on the context. First of all I would be opposed to the mandatory carrying of an identity document, like which happens on the continent. I don't like the idea of some inspector demanding to know who I am at any time, whether I've done nothing wrong or not.

What I would be in favour of is an Identity document which is used to access state benefits. This would have to be a sophisticated biometric one, which could help combat fraud. On the other hand, if a way to circumvent the technology is found it could lead to an increase in fraud as people tend to trust these "unforgeable" documents.

Is a retina/fingerprint scan too much to ask for to get the dole?


okioffice84 said:
"May I see your papers please?"
You said it.

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