Following on from my earlier post, we've decided to lock the two eircom threads as they've either gone so off topic, both discussing the exact same thing which is pointless or so much incorrect information in them its not even funny.
So the idea behind this thread is ONLY to try and stop eircom, or other ISP's, from censoring what websites you can access based on IRMA's suggestions.
This thread is not for:
- Discussing the music industry's current business model
- Discussing that its OK to download copyright material
This thread is ONLY for discussing what can be done to stop eircom from censoring websites full stop, anything else is seen as off-topic and may be deleted so lets come up with ideas to stop this.
Before you post please read the following so you understand the latest announcement by eircom which was posted 24th February 2009 -
READ THIS before posting.
Here is what I suggested earlier that we can all do
Now, let the sensible debate begin...
Sorry, I didn't know another thread existed when I made my earlier post.
On topic, those are good ideas jor el. There needs to be an Irish net neutrality lobby group set up, not just one that's focussed on Eircom. Is there already such a thing?
You could start one.
Once Eircom start to lose customers by the thousand they'll back down.
They only ones who will stay will be those who know how to use proxies.
We know Eircom's position (at the moment), as can be seen in jor el's post above. However, I think its likely that one or more of the other isp's may well try to fight this by contesting any application to the Irish courts, and if unsuccessful, possibly going to the European Court. This document DIRECTIVE 2000/31/EC OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT is certainly going to be used in any challenge.
The relevant parts are Articles 12,13,14 and especially 15, which can be found on pages 12 and 13 of the pdf.
Apologies if this has been covered in the other thread.
Similar attempts and ever more encompassing attempts in Australia failed. There was enough opposition, (only 10% of the public supported it) that even someone as clueless as a politician realised this was a very bad idea.
I'm interested in seeing what the other ISPs that are not Irish owned (Utv, BT and UPC especially) do as it'd be a case of them giving in to the
music companies in one of their markets and not in others.
if they even block one tiny website , i'm moving to a new ISP
First of all, what Eircom has done or will do is nothing different, to what was happening first.
Honestly, the settlement has made no difference to before.
This article: http://www.pcworld.com/article/160114/irish_isp_we_wont_block_the_pirate_bay.html
has all the bits in there, which pretty much reflects what the majority of the ISPs will do about it.
The phone companies don't wiretap without a court-order. Starting to monitor and filtering traffic equals to wiretapping. And as the article says, Eircom, nor any other ISP will release customer data to IFPI, IRMA and the likes.
i understand tho that a garda superintendent or even the garda commissioner is the only person who can apply to the courts for a wiretap
Yes. And thus the task lies with the media industry to provide proof in the first place, sufficient proof, before a customer gets notified or disconnected.
While that all is on, Eircom will still not release your data or tap into your data. It's none of their business.
If you move to another ADSL provider eircom still get line rental and wholesale rate. Eircom loose problem customers so it's win-win for them
This is ideally what we should be following, a well organised continous campaign
If that was the case Eircom wouldnt be in the broadband business. They would only be in the line rental business