#1

I seen two foreign nationals towing a car the other day with a rope along the Tallaght bypass, Is this illegal? In the 80ies it was common practice.

tossy Registered User
#2

YES!!!

its one of those little known and little enforced laws,also the towing vehicle must be 4wd.

You will get the obligatory responses saying im wrong as a guy they know down the pub who works in a rope factory told them otherwise,but this is fact.

But.....like i said the chances of getting done for this are pretty slim,kind of like provisional drivers back in the day.

boomer_ie Registered User
#3

tossy said:
YES!!!

its one of those little known and little enforced laws,also the towing vehicle must be 4wd.

You will get the obligatory responses saying im wrong as a guy they know down the pub who works in a rope factory told them otherwise,but this is fact.

But.....like i said the chances of getting done for this are pretty slim,kind of like provisional drivers back in the day.


I love it when people say its fact without pointing out WHERE its fact, would you like to point out the exact legislation or point us in the general direction of the relevant legislation.

The reason I say this is most tow ropes sold by Halfords etc are *shock* *gasp* made from rope....

peasant Moderator
#4

tossy said:
YES!!!

its one of those little known and little enforced laws,also the towing vehicle must be 4wd.



The rules of the road make no mention of either of these "laws"

(page 48 under towing, if you want to check yourself)

farva Registered User
#5

I doubt it, I've towed a fair few cars with a 3 tonne tow rope that I have in the boot. What else could you a car with? A chain?

#6

farva said:
I doubt it, I've towed a fair few cars with a 3 tonne tow rope that I have in the boot. What else could you a car with? A chain?
Possibly, but it would be very hard on both vehicles, as there's no 'give' in a chain.
Straight and a-frame towbars are great for this sort of thing, but very few people except the vehicle recovery specialists have them.

I too would love to see the legislation prohibiting towing with rope, but requiring the use of a 4x4 to do it.

#7

I remeber hearing ropes are illegal...has to be a tow bar..but..cant point you to it in stone..soz

jayok Registered User
#8

tossy said:
also the towing vehicle must be 4wd.


Where do people get this info? I think it is this stuff is from mis-information in the pub. Most two trucks aren't even 4WD. The are RWD. There is nothing in legislation that required 4WD.

Del2005 Registered User
#9

tossy said:
YES!!!

its one of those little known and little enforced laws,also the towing vehicle must be 4wd.

You will get the obligatory responses saying im wrong as a guy they know down the pub who works in a rope factory told them otherwise,but this is fact.

But.....like i said the chances of getting done for this are pretty slim,kind of like provisional drivers back in the day.


Typhoon. said:
I remeber hearing ropes are illegal...has to be a tow bar..but..cant point you to it in stone..soz



I'd like to see prove of this also. There have been a couple of threads recently where people have said this and no-one has provided proof. If it is illeagal why are all the roadside breakdown kits sold with them?

I just did a search of Transport.ie and there is nothing came back.

JHMEG Banned
#10

A mechanic friend told me quite a while ago that it's illegal since 01/07 for one car to tow another. Not saying it's true, but he's not wrong too often.

Tow ropes are sold in Halford maybe for the same reason telephones with British Telecom plugs on them are sold in Currys, and Homebase advertise "Save £££'s" during sales etc etc.

Mr.Diagnostic Registered User
#11

I very rarely do it but as far as I am aware it is not illegal. I too would like to see a link to the legislation that shows it to be “fact”

10-10-20 Registered User
#12

My understanding is that since 2005/2006 ropes can be used for 'recovery' of a vehicle (off the road, etc...) but a solid tow bar or A-frame must be used on the road.

Having being towed from Waterford to Carlow on a short (getting-shorter) tow rope, I fully agree...

Del2005 Registered User
#13

JHMEG said:
A mechanic friend told me quite a while ago that it's illegal since 01/07 for one car to tow another. Not saying it's true, but he's not wrong too often.


So you heard 07, 10-10-20 says 05/06. I'll post a link to this in the Emergency Services fourm and ask the Gardai.

Tow ropes are sold in Halford maybe for the same reason telephones with British Telecom plugs on them are sold in Currys, and Homebase advertise "Save £££'s" during sales etc etc.


They don't just sell them in English chain stores

Edit.

Here is the thread from emergengy services.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=55157974#post55157974

macplaxton Moderator
#14

It depends on a lot of things....

ROAD TRAFFIC (CONSTRUCTION AND USE OF VEHICLES) REGULATIONS 2003

Is probably a piece of legislation worth deciphering.

Of interest is the definition of drawbar:

“drawbar” means any drawbar, chain or other towing device and includes any special fitting for the attachment of such drawbar, chain or towing device;

So is a rope classed as an "other towing device"?

Was the vehicle being towed as a consequence of being broken down and was it to the nearest convenient place of safety or repair? (Nearest being a very important thing.)

When the above doesn't apply, a car being towed with any of it own wheels on the ground by another car, for all intents and purposes it is considered an unbraked trailer based on it's Gross weight (which will be considerably higher than unladen weight) and almost certainly over 750kg. Is the maximum towing weight of the tow car enough? Is the driver licenced to tow the combination? A lot of trailer rules would need to be complied with.

I think the 4wd is not strictly true. It's merely an over simplification because a lot of 4wd vehicles such as Land Rovers have maximum permissible towing weights above their own weight.

In fact, it's all so complicated my head hurts and for that reason I wouldn't risk trying to attempt it in the first place other than shifting something a few hundred metres in an emergency. So considering the above, and assuming a lot of things - it probably was illegal.

green123 Registered User
#15

a mechanic also told me that he cant tow cars with a rope anymore because its illegal .
he said a solid bar must be used now ,
and like JHMEG said earlier he is rarely wrong

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