thebaz Registered User
#1

i went today to the M 50 roundabout , to see conditions that the Roma are living in and the whole experience was very chilling and harrowing , to be happening in 21st century Ireland.
I got permission , and made a small donation , but it really was harrowing, and the sense of danger of kids begging/playing around a dangerous roundabout , needs to be documented IMO, without getting into a political / social debate on photography forum.
As regards photography i prefer photo 1 , but maybe photo 2 highlights the madness of the whole thing.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/thebaz/871940447/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/thebaz/871940415/

There a few more on
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thebaz/

gerky Registered User
#2

Great shots first especially,watching the news the other night was thinking the conditions were like refugee camps.

#3

byjaysais is that a man with a scarf on his head?

Tis no woman.

DadaKopf Registered User
#4

It's important to photograph the people, but I feel they lack context. Portraits with more description in the background about their environment and situation, or a broader array of photos in different locations, reflecting the whole context would have strengthened the photos.

Top marks on engaging them, indeed. Though, I often feel uneasy about photojournalism: in particular, reproducing photos without an adequate caption and permission from the subjects (though this second one is not always possible).

thebaz Registered User
#5

DadaKopf
It's important to photograph the people, but I feel they lack context. Portraits with more description in the background about their environment and situation, or a broader array of photos in different locations, reflecting the whole context would have strengthened the photos.

Top marks on engaging them, indeed. Though, I often feel uneasy about photojournalism: in particular, reproducing photos without an adequate caption and permission from the subjects (though this second one is not always possible).


i did get permission, but the whole scenario was crazy , the traffic was whizzing past (this is the M50) , kids running around , even getting my balance was dificult due to slippy surface (mud) , i can only say it was bedlam , and pure 3rd world in our capital .

Borderfox Moderator
#6

Nice shots, I would feel that if you had somehow shown the people and in the background or to the side a feeling on speed in the traffic you would get more of a feeling of danger (without putting yourself in the firing line). Fair play to you for doing it, I would have used my bigma from Ballymun!!

City-Exile Registered User
#7

Strange that you should put the pictures of Shamrock Rovers' stadium, in with your Roma pictures. I know Rovers are homeless, but Bohs are known as the Gypsies!

nilhg Registered User
#8

City-Exile
Strange that you should put the pictures of Shamrock Rovers' stadium, in with your Roma pictures. I know Rovers are homeless, but Bohs are known as the Gypsies!



Might be a safer place for them to camp though.

Also might move the process of getting it finished along.

Sort of a new version of the old "if I dont get planning permision I'll turn it into a halting site" threat

Eirebear Registered User
#9

Some good stuff there Baz, i agree with the suggestions that it may have been a little bit more sympathetic towards the Roma's there if you had got something of a background or their surroundings.
But as a portrait the "look and the Stares" really works for me.

Again, well done on having both the Balls and the get up and go, to go and take these shots.

sineadw Registered User
#10

I only heard about this yesterday. You wouldn't believe the mortality and morbidity rate for Traveller children, Irish and otherwise. Oooo I could rant...

Fair play to you Barry! I would never have the balls (figurative speaking of course) to do that. How did they react when you asked them? I suppose if they've been in the media the last while that made it a bit easier?

And were you ON the M50??

thebaz Registered User
#11

Eirebear
Some good stuff there Baz, i agree with the suggestions that it may have been a little bit more sympathetic towards the Roma's there if you had got something of a background or their surroundings.
But as a portrait the "look and the Stares" really works for me.


I would like to have got the background in , but i can't emphasise the chaos of the scenario , cars liieraly whizzing past , children pleading at my feet , me tring to speak to the men with little English -- and trying to keep my balance on the mud , an eye on my illegally parked car , and another hand over my wallet , with no press backup

I witnessed something similar about 10 years ago in Morocco ... but happening today in Dublin ?

Eirebear Registered User
#12

thebaz
I would like to have got the background in , but i can't emphasise the chaos of the scenario , cars liieraly whizzing past , children pleading at my feet , me tring to speak to the men with little English -- and trying to keep my balance on the mud , an eye on my illegally parked car , and another hand over my wallet , with no press backup

I witnessed something similar about 10 years ago in Morocco ... but happening today in Dublin ?


No it must have been nuts, and you did get some interesting (for want of a better word) pictures out of it, i take my hat off to you.
how did they react to you asking to take pictures?
Are these the families who were deported yesterday?

eth0_ Registered User
#13

Three words: "Entirely" "Their" "Choice".

Mitch Connor Registered User
#14

eth0_
Three words: "Entirely" "Their" "Choice".

Yes.

ThOnda Registered User
#15

Amen!

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