[danbrosnan]

As far as i am aware anybody can fish along a waterway in Ireland???

I stand to be corrected on that but is there any truth in it???

I know that on freshwater rivers if the waters are not accompanied by a club or membership of some form then its considered free fishing. But what of the sea???

I say this because recently friends of mine where fishing an island, they were causing no harm to no one and the owner of the land video taped them and photographed them and started roaring abuse. Now i would always understand if somebody was scared etc, but there was no need for this.

What do any legal experts think?

[krd]

Originally Posted by danbrosnan

As far as i am aware anybody can fish along a waterway in Ireland???

I stand to be corrected on that but is there any truth in it???

I'm not sure if that's true. I've been told, that many farmers have exclusive fishing rights to water courses that border their property.

And farmers whose farms border beaches - the beach is also their private property.

I say this because recently friends of mine where fishing an island, they were causing no harm to no one and the owner of the land video taped them and photographed them and started roaring abuse. Now i would always understand if somebody was scared etc, but there was no need for this.

Awful aren't they. They're not roarin' and shoutin' when they have their hands out for agricultural subsidies.

[Fey!]

Originally Posted by krd

And farmers whose farms border beaches - the beach is also their private property.

As far as I know that's only to the high-tide line.

[danbrosnan]

Originally Posted by Fey!

As far as I know that's only to the high-tide line.

So the answer is that there is no right to the fisherman?

[jd]

You'd have a right to fish below the medium high tide mark (the foreshore), but you don't have a right of access through private property. It wan't Fenit Island, by any chance?

What is the Foreshore?
The foreshore of Ireland is classed as the land and seabed between the high water of ordinary or medium tides (shown HWM on Ordnance Survey maps) and the twelve-mile limit (12 nautical miles equals approximately 22.24 kilometers). Foreshore also covers tidal areas of rivers particularly estuaries.
Who owns the Foreshore?
All the foreshore of Ireland is presumed state-owned unless valid alternative title is provided.

[danbrosnan]

Originally Posted by jd

You'd have a right to fish below the medium high tide mark (the foreshore), but you don't have a right of access through private property. It wan't Fenit Island, by any chance?

No valentia... but it the same story down in feint i hear!!!

[Dont be daft]

Originally Posted by krd

I'm not sure if that's true. I've been told, that many farmers have exclusive fishing rights to water courses that border their property.

And farmers whose farms border beaches - the beach is also their private property.



Awful aren't they. They're not roarin' and shoutin' when they have their hands out for agricultural subsidies.

First of all there was no mention of the land owner being a farmer

Secondly if the guys fishing were trespassing on his property has he not every right to tell them to get off. I know were I'd be telling someone to go if I lived on the Canal and some clown in waders was casting off my balcony. Why should this be any different?
Are you a property owner? Would you agree to others entering or trespassing on your property to access an amenity?

Thirdly if you had any notion of how food supply and production works in this world you'd keep your mouth shut about subsidies.
If you wanna ban subsidies then fire away. Let the price in the supermarkets rise to meet production costs and watch as millions across Europe are left literally unable to afford food.

OP, the issue here is not fishing rights on the sea but rather trespassing on what I presume was a private island. As far as I'm aware there are no restrictions on recreational fishing on the sea once it is conducted from a public place or a craft.
From the foreshore is a grey area because it is possible, although its unusual, for foreshore to be privately owned.

Inland waterways are completely different with fishing "rights" being alotted along the rivers. In fact many land owners have rivers running alongside their property but no fishing rights

[danbrosnan]

Well i don't want this thread to get personal!!! Why do people take things personal???

I think the whole area is a "Grey Area"....

I am a keen angler and tbh i wasn't looking for opinions on this and on that, i was asking what was the law...

And i had a fair idea of it already... People have to understand that there is laws for the fisherman as well as the landowner because you can't actually own a river or lake... The state own it and if your land is beside the river or lake you must give way for the fisherman..

Now i understand that people do break fences, leave gates open and litter property and does is disgraceful behavior... and as far as subsidies, farmers do need subsidies ITS THE LAW!!!

[Dont be daft]

Originally Posted by danbrosnan

Well i don't want this thread to get personal!!! Why do people take things personal???

I think the whole area is a "Grey Area"....

I am a keen angler and tbh i wasn't looking for opinions on this and on that, i was asking what was the law...

And i had a fair idea of it already... People have to understand that there is laws for the fisherman as well as the landowner because you can't actually own a river or lake... The state own it and if your land is beside the river or lake you must give way for the fisherman..

Now i understand that people do break fences, leave gates open and litter property and does is disgraceful behavior... and as far as subsidies, farmers do need subsidies ITS THE LAW!!!

Well thats not really true. There are some public right of ways which give access to lakes, rivers and beaches but these are the exeption rather than the rule.
I know of only a handful local to me and these are mostly due to fishing clubs or individuals owning or buying fishing rights on a particular stretch of river. There is no general right to access to a river or lake to fish

[danbrosnan]

The state own it and if your land is beside the river or lake you must give way for the fisherman..

You just answered the question...

[MagicSean]

Originally Posted by danbrosnan

The state own it and if your land is beside the river or lake you must give way for the fisherman..

You just answered the question...

You just quoted yourself.

And you don't seem to be reading other people's posts at all.

[krd]

Originally Posted by Dont be daft

First of all there was no mention of the land owner being a farmer

The chances are it's not anyone else.

Secondly if the guys fishing were trespassing on his property has he not every right to tell them to get off. I know were I'd be telling someone to go if I lived on the Canal and some clown in waders was casting off my balcony.

For the love of god.

Why should this be any different?

Because it's completely different. Crossing farm land to get to an amenity is nothing like walking into someone's bedroom and fishing from their balcony.

The "gesh of my landge " brigade trot this one out. As long as people are not poking around farm buildings, they're not really trespassing. They're just doing what people have always done in the countryside, crossing land to get to somewhere else.

Are you a property owner? Would you agree to others entering or trespassing on your property to access an amenity?

I grew up in the countryside. There was absolutely nothing abnormal about people crossing land to get to an amenity like a river or stream to fish in.

Very occasionally you'd have a bollocks who'd hunt people of their land, or they would do something like blocking up a public right of way. A farmer near where I grew up, put a fence up on a river walk way that wasn't even his property. "Ish my landge ....Holy god gave ish to me"

Thirdly if you had any notion of how food supply and production works in this world you'd keep your mouth shut about subsidies.

I do know how food is produced. Food production over most of the world is not subsidised. A lot of food production in Ireland is not subsidised. In England most farmers never see a penny of the subsidies. If goes straight into the pockets of the land owners. They did not stop producing food, and the people of England are not starving.

With modern efficient farming methods, a handful of people can produce food for thousands of people.

The subsidise exist for purely political reasons. The inefficient farmers vote for Fianna Fail and Fine Gael, staunch right wingers. And Fianna Fail and Fine Gael confiscate money from the urban workers and hand it over to the farmers so they can go on living their grand lives.

If Irish agriculture was run like Ryan Air, instead of old Aer Lingus, it wouldn't need any subsidies at all and would be far more productive. Farmers being right-wingers, and firm believers in capitalism you would think would see the logic. They probably do, but they don't want to end up like Ryan Air employees - that kind of thing is not for likes of them. The upper class - the landed gentry.

If you wanna ban subsidies then fire away. Let the price in the supermarkets rise to meet production costs and watch as millions across Europe are left literally unable to afford food.

People are already eating unsubsidised food. And it's the same people paying the subsidises.

And I would love to fire away and get rid of subsidies. And this roarin' and shoutin' at people trying to do a little fishing even makes me want to remove them even more.

The ingratitude of country people is jaw dropping. We should be able to take our charity elsewhere. Give it to people who need it and would appreciate it. And not just expect it.

First of all there was no mention of the land owner being a farmer

You're right. He could be one of them boys who made millins building ghost estates - and paid themselves millins before selling a single house. Or maybe he made millins building cycle paths in the middle of nowhere. Or made millins selling a few acres for a ghost estate.

[Victor]

http://www.fishinginireland.info/regulations.htm

[Marcusm]

Originally Posted by Victor

http://www.fishinginireland.info/regulations.htm

Unfortunately, none of that is applicable to sea fishing!

[Dont be daft]

Originally Posted by krd

The chances are it's not anyone else.



For the love of god.



Because it's completely different. Crossing farm land to get to an amenity is nothing like walking into someone's bedroom and fishing from their balcony.

The "gesh of my landge " brigade trot this one out. As long as people are not poking around farm buildings, they're not really trespassing. They're just doing what people have always done in the countryside, crossing land to get to somewhere else.



I grew up in the countryside. There was absolutely nothing abnormal about people crossing land to get to an amenity like a river or stream to fish in.

Very occasionally you'd have a bollocks who'd hunt people of their land, or they would do something like blocking up a public right of way. A farmer near where I grew up, put a fence up on a river walk way that wasn't even his property. "Ish my landge ....Holy god gave ish to me"




I do know how food is produced. Food production over most of the world is not subsidised. A lot of food production in Ireland is not subsidised. In England most farmers never see a penny of the subsidies. If goes straight into the pockets of the land owners. They did not stop producing food, and the people of England are not starving.

With modern efficient farming methods, a handful of people can produce food for thousands of people.

The subsidise exist for purely political reasons. The inefficient farmers vote for Fianna Fail and Fine Gael, staunch right wingers. And Fianna Fail and Fine Gael confiscate money from the urban workers and hand it over to the farmers so they can go on living their grand lives.

If Irish agriculture was run like Ryan Air, instead of old Aer Lingus, it wouldn't need any subsidies at all and would be far more productive. Farmers being right-wingers, and firm believers in capitalism you would think would see the logic. They probably do, but they don't want to end up like Ryan Air employees - that kind of thing is not for likes of them. The upper class - the landed gentry.




People are already eating unsubsidised food. And it's the same people paying the subsidises.

And I would love to fire away and get rid of subsidies. And this roarin' and shoutin' at people trying to do a little fishing even makes me want to remove them even more.

The ingratitude of country people is jaw dropping. We should be able to take our charity elsewhere. Give it to people who need it and would appreciate it. And not just expect it.



You're right. He could be one of them boys who made millins building ghost estates - and paid themselves millins before selling a single house. Or maybe he made millins building cycle paths in the middle of nowhere. Or made millins selling a few acres for a ghost estate.

I dont even know were to start.
In the time it took you to write all that you could have gone of and educated yourself on the topics you seem so opinionated and equally in ignorance of.

I will concede that the balcony argument was misguided but the principle is the same. If no public or private right of way exists what makes you think we should all be able to break the law when it suits us?
Its not really trespassing? Ah, what? How is it anything but trespassing?

As for your views on subsidies, you just have not got a clue. No, really, you havent a clue.
In the argument you have put forward there are so many inaccuracies, lies and out of context facts that its just dribble at this stage.
You were better of heeding my advice and keeping your mouth shut.
I havent the time or patience to school you on the issue but I strongly recommend you go off and read up on the matter yourself. Your ignorance on the whole subject is laughable.