[Sin City]

Just wondering where exactly heaven is?

People have always said its up, but of course we all know that there are no angels on the clouds (otherwise there may be some stuck to the noses of planes flying through them )

Seriously though most cultures have always pointed skywards, and the bible even once stated the God feared man making to the heavens, (Tower of Bable)
yet he doesnt mind us flying or building rockets to the moon.

So my question is , where abouts is heaven?


This is a serious thread, mods please dont lock it, delete it etc

[prinz]

Originally Posted by Sin City

So my question is , where abouts is heaven?

Just to the left of the chocolate teapot.

[homer911]

Putting the Atheist responses to one side - You are thinking 4-dimensionally

God has existed for ever, before our concept of time began, and before the universe was created by him

Therefore, God exists outside of Time and Space, therefore Heaven exists outside of Time and Space

[santing]

Originally Posted by homer911

Putting the Atheist responses to one side - You are thinking 4-dimensionally

God has existed for ever, before our concept of time began, and before the universe was created by him

Therefore, God exists outside of Time and Space, therefore Heaven exists outside of Time and Space

That is one meaning for the word heaven - and probably the meaning the OP is looking for. It is not part of this creation and is very close to us, but in another dimension. Apart from this use of the word Heaven (in John 14 "the House of my Father") in the original language the word heaven is mainly plural, with the first heaven being the sky above the earth, the second the universe - so these are part of creation. The third heaven is probably the place where the angels dwell, so also part of the creation, but not part of our known universe - indeed think 4 (or multi dimensional). This heaven is also tainted by sin (but not the house of the father) and will be renewed.

[totus tuus]

As a kid, I learned that Heaven can be a state of perfect happiness, where the blessed see, and enjoy God forever.

[Ken bryan]

Heaven is around us . We can’t see it or experience it until we morph from caterpillar state. I.e. human to our spiritual state.
Like the caterpillar we are restricted. It is only one we go through the Change at death do we experience the next level of freedom,

As humans we are restriced to what we see .
With our sences once we die these restrictions are removed .

[Doc Farrell]

Originally Posted by Sin City

Just wondering where exactly heaven is?

People have always said its up, but of course we all know that there are no angels on the clouds (otherwise there may be some stuck to the noses of planes flying through them )

Seriously though most cultures have always pointed skywards, and the bible even once stated the God feared man making to the heavens, (Tower of Bable)
yet he doesnt mind us flying or building rockets to the moon.

So my question is , where abouts is heaven?


This is a serious thread, mods please dont lock it, delete it etc

I recommend that if you are genuinely interested in the subject that you do further real study.
Nowhere in Christianity, as far as I know, is Heaven given a geographic location.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven

Best for you to read some commentaries on the tower of Babel. I don't see where it says that God was afraid. The story is an allegory concerning the arrogance of men and women. Pride in technology, in learning, in theology, in science, in communication. In pride or hubris, lies are own downfall. It's a very common theme in all human stories, from Sophocles to Shakespeare to Hannibal Lecter.
Christ ascending into Heaven is visually meaningful to us but only a child or a fundamentalist would think of Him remaining above or beyond a specific geographic or spatial location.
Heaven is compassion in action. And free cigars.

[Onesimus]

I agree with Doc there. Trying to reach heaven for those who built that tower was a way of saying that they thought they could become like God himself.

Humanity still thinks they can reach the skies and be like God and usurp his position.

But yeah sure heaven is up that way beyond the clouds and time and space.

[Gumbi]

How do you know that God is outside time and space?

And how can you possibly postulate such a thing in the first place?

[Helix]

Originally Posted by Gumbi

How do you know that God is outside time and space?

And how can you possibly postulate such a thing?

because it's the easiest answer

where is heaven? it's somewhere we just happen never to be able to observe, measure or disprove. convenient

[kumate_champ07]

Originally Posted by Ken bryan

Heaven is around us . We can’t see it or experience it until we morph from caterpillar state. I.e. human to our spiritual state. Like the caterpillar we are restricted. It is only one we go through the Change at death do we experience the next level of freedom,

As humans we are restriced to what we see .
With our sences once we die these restrictions are removed .

the world doesnt change for a caterpillar, it gains the ability to fly but still has to deal with wind,water,cold,injuries,predators.

[kumate_champ07]

if heaven is outside time and space how do we continue our favourite hobbies/passtimes there when they require time and space to function?
wouldnt eternal happiness negate itself after a few thousand years? human liftime would be aprox 90yrs, lets say 45 years of that was suffering, after thousands of years of passing there will be no memory of what sadness was. I cant remember what it was like to be taken care of while in the womb, I had no worries, I only know of this 'butterfly existence' Im living now

you cant have joy without pain

[kumate_champ07]

Originally Posted by Doc Farrell

I recommend that if you are genuinely interested in the subject that you do further real study.
Nowhere in Christianity, as far as I know, is Heaven given a geographic location.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven

Best for you to read some commentaries on the tower of Babel. I don't see where it says that God was afraid. The story is an allegory concerning the arrogance of men and women. Pride in technology, in learning, in theology, in science, in communication. In pride or hubris, lies are own downfall. It's a very common theme in all human stories, from Sophocles to Shakespeare to Hannibal Lecter.
Christ ascending into Heaven is visually meaningful to us but only a child or a fundamentalist would think of Him remaining above or beyond a specific geographic or spatial location.
Heaven is compassion in action. And free cigars.

"the heavens above"?

[kumate_champ07]

Originally Posted by homer911

Putting the Atheist responses to one side - You are thinking 4-dimensionally

God has existed for ever, before our concept of time began, and before the universe was created by him

Therefore, God exists outside of Time and Space, therefore Heaven exists outside of Time and Space

maybe god is time and space?

[endacl]

It's in blanch.

http://www.dublinks.com/index.cfm/lo...B35329FFA5.htm