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[Cpt_Blackbeard]

Just proposing to sack Kidney is too simplistic, but yes he has to go. An complete overhaul is needed.

Rather than just repeating myself, I'll post what I said elsewhere:

We could easily hand Ruddock the reigns for the AIs while we search for a man with a vision to bring us forward. We don't need a great coach, we need a man who will oversee a plan/playing philosophy from grassroots up to the national team. We can then bring in top technical coaches to work under this man in a director's role similar to how Conor O'Shea operates at Quins.

[mikedragon32]

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[vkid]

Should go...but as I've said before that can only be part of the solution. The players including BOD as captain have to take responsibility also imo and I'd imagine some restructuring in the back room are also required.

Its time for a clear out and a lot of the older guys need to just go. If we lose games while this happens then so be it, but the older lads are not adding anything much to the mix right now imo.

If anything they are bringing the same ol same ol predicatble rubbish and not all of that lies with Kidney.

[irishbucsfan]

Well he said he won't resign this morning.

I doubt the IRFU will be pushing him hard. I don't think he'll go after November either because our games aren't realistically going to be tough enough to embarrass him any more into going.

So we'll be stuck with him through the next 6 Nations at least. I feel especially bad for the players because the Lions team will be picked partially on those performances.

[GerM]

I assume he'll see out his contract and that he'll "choose" to move on with a nice PR piece about how he has done so much and we're grateful and he feels the time is right to step aside after 5 years in the job.

The IRFU won't be making any pay outs to terminate a contract so, as much as people want him gone, he's here until the end of his contract. No way they'll terminate is 11 months from the end.

[vkid]

Originally Posted by irishbucsfan

I feel especially bad for the players because the Lions team will be picked partially on those performances.

I don't tbh. They have to bear some responsibility..quite a big chunk of it too, to be fair. They are the ones on the field at the end of the day,

[Cork24]

Its use that are fecking up the AIB League not turning out to our Local Club games A2,A3 games clubs are finding it hard to keep going in this day and age.

the likes of Garryowen, Young Munster, Cork Con etc the big boys taken all the good players and paying them giving other small teams not chance to hold onto them

People would not pay 10 euros for a A1 League Match but would pay over the top price to see Munster play in the HC

I now cant go to games anymore as the price of tickets are gone way to dear.

Sacking Kidney will not solve or do anything for Irish Rugby, We have 4 Top Clubs playing in Europe we cant Live without the support of the HC. We dont have top players coming up in the ranks to take over for the lads in the finally days at top level rugby

[Tox56]

Originally Posted by vkid

I don't tbh. They have to bear some responsibility..quite a big chunk of it too, to be fair. They are the ones on the field at the end of the day,

Theres a fine line, at this level you can't simply go Barbarians style and make it up as you go along. They should be held responsible for errors like dropped balls and things like that, but they can only do so much, they're not simply going to abandon the gameplan and tactics they've been preparing with.

If we get a decent coach I doubt anyone will be surprised if these players start playing close to their best.

[liammur]

Originally Posted by Cork24

Its use that are fecking up the AIB League not turning out to our Local Club games A2,A3 games clubs are finding it hard to keep going in this day and age.

the likes of Garryowen, Young Munster, Cork Con etc the big boys taken all the good players and paying them giving other small teams not chance to hold onto them

People would not pay 10 euros for a A1 League Match but would pay over the top price to see Munster play in the HC

I now cant go to games anymore as the price of tickets are gone way to dear.

Sacking Kidney will not solve or do anything for Irish Rugby, We have 4 Top Clubs playing in Europe we cant Live without the support of the HC. We dont have top players coming up in the ranks to take over for the lads in the finally days at top level rugby

This is an excellant point. The club game now is at a crisis and some clubs must be on the verge of going bust very soon ala the league of ireland.

I would like to see kidney go, but the bad news for the H cup merchants, winning at H cup level and international level are 2 different things entirely. Big step up. We only need to ask 1 man: Declan Kidney.

[stephen_n]

Originally Posted by Cork24

Its use that are fecking up the AIB League not turning out to our Local Club games A2,A3 games clubs are finding it hard to keep going in this day and age.

the likes of Garryowen, Young Munster, Cork Con etc the big boys taken all the good players and paying them giving other small teams not chance to hold onto them

People would not pay 10 euros for a A1 League Match but would pay over the top price to see Munster play in the HC

I now cant go to games anymore as the price of tickets are gone way to dear.

Sacking Kidney will not solve or do anything for Irish Rugby, We have 4 Top Clubs playing in Europe we cant Live without the support of the HC. We dont have top players coming up in the ranks to take over for the lads in the finally days at top level rugby

You think that the 100 odd professional players that perform at the top level in the rabo and Heineken cup can't provide us with a good enough squad but that the AIB league somehow could if it was better supported? Can I just check does 2+2 make 6 in your world?

[liammur]

Originally Posted by vkid

Should go...but as I've said before that can only be part of the solution. The players including BOD as captain have to take responsibility also imo and I'd imagine some restructuring in the back room are also required.

Its time for a clear out and a lot of the older guys need to just go. If we lose games while this happens then so be it, but the older lads are not adding anything much to the mix right now imo.

If anything they are bringing the same ol same ol predicatble rubbish and not all of that lies with Kidney.

Of course. Once the players cross the white line it's them, and only them on the field. So to blame management alone is too simplistic.
BOD just captained us to our worst ever performance. Time for them to moving on before the reputations are in tatters. But we shouldn't forget, that all involved provided us with a decade of success and I thank them for that.

[Sean Bateman]

Kidney should be sacked.

This season has been disastrous. We were beaten at home by Wales, humiliated by England (who are a poor side) and embarrassed by New Zealand. There's very little sign of progress...in fact we're regressing.

Kidney is way too cautious - I doubt that anyone would mind if he threw "one for the future" in at centre and we lost. But selecting Paddy Wallace? That was an unbelievable decision.

Conservatism does us no good - We need a progressive coach like Joe Schmidt or Jake White.

[GerM]

Originally Posted by liammur

I would like to see kidney go, but the bad news for the H cup merchants, winning at H cup level and international level are 2 different things entirely. Big step up. We only need to ask 1 man: Declan Kidney.

Whose response would be a combination of Chinese proverbs and a weather forecast before throwing a smoke bomb on the ground and legging it.

[.ak]

No way would they pay him out of his contract so close to the end of it. One more season lads, let's just baton down the hatches.