[The Israeli]

As I have been telling before, sadly, the ill education in the Palestinian territories teaches to hatred and rooting the problem within the young generation's mind, making them new peace opposers that want death, instead of compromisers that want peace.
I can't generalize because this is talking about special kindergartens but it seems like a vast problem.

I wouldn't say that in Israel it's all good, but it's not nearly like that.
www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4241588,00.html

Gaza kindergartners want to 'blow up Zionists'.
Kids at Islamic Jihad kindergarten celebrate end of year by demonstrating how Palestinian prisoners are 'tortured' in Israel. Teacher: We educate them to love resistance, Palestine.

Elior Levy
Published:
06.12.12, 18:08 / Israel News



Children attending a kindergarten in Gaza that is run by Islamic Jihad celebrated their graduation by dressing up in army attire, waving toy rifles and chanting anti-Israel slogans.
"It is our obligation to educate the children to love the resistance, Palestine and Jerusalem, so they will recognize the importance of Palestine and who its enemy is," the kindergarten's director said.
The children were dressed up in uniforms of Jihad's armed-wing, the al-Quds Brigades, and each of them received a toy rifle. Some of them held up photos of Islamic Jihad founder Fathi Shaqaqi.
The event was attended by the children's relatives, some of whom belong to Islamic Jihad and other armed Palestinian factions.
During the ceremony the children were asked to stand next to mock coffins draped with flags of the various armed factions. The flags bore the images of "shahids (martyrs)."
One child, Hamza, said "When I grow up I'll join Islamic Jihad and the al-Quds Brigades. I'll fight the Zionist enemy and fire missiles at it until I die as a shahid and join my father in heaven.
"I love the resistance and the martyrs and Palestine, and I want to blow myself up on Zionists and kill them on a bus in a suicide bombing," he said.
During the ceremony the children "demonstrated" how Israel treats Palestinian prisoners. In the display, handcuffed children depicting inmates were placed in cages, with an "Israeli guard" standing nearby.
Another child depicting an Israeli prison guard placed the head of a "Palestinian prisoner" in a bucket of water to demonstrate how Palestinian prisoners are "tortured" in Israel.
"At every kindergarten graduation ceremony we focus on the children to represent the role of struggling and resistance in the way of Allah so they will grow up to love the resistance and serve the cause of Palestine and Holy Jihad, as well as to make them leaders and fighters to defend the holy soil of Palestine," one of the teachers said.

[Nodin]

Originally Posted by The Israeli

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I can't generalize because this is talking about special kindergartens but it seems like a vast problem.
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You can't generalise because this is a place run by a minority extremist group, but you'll go on to say the problem is "vast". Great stuff.

Originally Posted by The Israeli

making them new peace opposers that want death, instead of compromisers that want peace.........

....considering that Gaza is no longer occupied or being colonised, but the areas run by the moderates are, what kind of message do you think that sends?

[hatrickpatrick]

Define "peace"?
A lot of people take "peace" to simply mean an end to the conflict. Without a resolution of the issues driving the conflict, true peace is impossible.

[The Israeli]

I think that a true peace is possible. But not in the next 10-20 years.
About the occupied by moderated territories - they may be moderates but they put obstacles in the peace process too. So does our current government. But the previous one was a much more willing, and still..

Should we go into it again? Maybe not this time.. it's just not the subject and I want for a change to keep to it, and make it a short thread. Let's not tire ourselves with old stuff.

The education of the young generation should be the subject, and how can peace be possible if the younger generation isn't an improvement on top of the old one. If people were willing to end the conflict it would have been only because they were tired of it. Unfortunately, it's always being inflamed in the minds of young people who are going to be the leaders of the next decade. Pretty sad.
Even if the Jihadists are a minority, without peace from their side, peace is impossible.

[Eggy Baby!]

There would be no martyrs to worship if Israel didn't make them every so often.

[cyberhog]

Originally Posted by The Israeli

As I have been telling before, sadly, the ill education in the Palestinian territories teaches to hatred and rooting the problem within the young generation's mind, making them new peace opposers that want death, instead of compromisers that want peace.

No mention of the anguish that Palestinian children have to endure living in a drawn-out conflict. How the daily grind of occupation makes life a misery for so many Palestinian children. No mention of the aggressive and oppressive policies and practices of the Israeli occupation. No mention of the violence, humiliation and brutality meted out by Israeli soldiers and settlers since 1967.

No mention of the 15 Palestinian children killed in 2011 ,13 by Israeli security forces and 2 by settlers, or the 384 children injured by Israeli forces and 41 by settlers, which the UN say is a significiant increase compared with the previous year. You say Palestinian children are taught to hate without considering the inhumane treatment they endure at the hands of Israeli forces.

If Israel is really conncerned about the next generation's mind it should stop the violent and degrading treatment of Palestinian children, end the occupation and then you will find peace.

[The Israeli]

Originally Posted by cyberhog

No mention of the anguish that Palestinian children have to endure living in a drawn-out conflict. How the daily grind of occupation makes life a misery for so many Palestinian children. No mention of the aggressive and oppressive policies and practices of the Israeli occupation. No mention of the violence, humiliation and brutality meted out by Israeli soldiers and settlers since 1967.

No mention of the 15 Palestinian children killed in 2011 ,13 by Israeli security forces and 2 by settlers, or the 384 children injured by Israeli forces and 41 by settlers, which the UN say is a significiant increase compared with the previous year. You say Palestinian children are taught to hate without considering the inhumane treatment they endure at the hands of Israeli forces.

If Israel is really conncerned about the next generation's mind it should stop the violent and degrading treatment of Palestinian children, end the occupation and then you will find peace.

Children aren't born to hate. Grown ups teach them that. Starting from the age of 0.
I know that many Palestinians have died. What's the real point? Why did they die? On purpose or because of the actions of their grown ups?
The second and first intifadas, the countless terror attacks, the thousands of missiles.

Please don't forget the 2000 + Israeli casualties since the year 2000.
Numbers are tricky because it seems that we care about our lives more, while they are willingly blow up themselves or throw stones at soldiers with guns.
They are often an organized crowd and encouraged by adults. (an example)

We don't learn to hate in our schools. We don't educate to hatred. On the contrary - I remember how my teachers used to tell that they hope that when we will be at the army age, hopefully there will be peace.
A sad joke - when I was enlisted to the army the second intifada was unfolding really badly. I don't really think that my children will have that desired peace when they will go to the army.
When young children are taught that ****e, and are sent to throw stones (I have seen countless of stone throwers) peace is a really funny word.


Settlements or not, until there is that hatred and not "lets solve this out", there will be war.
Education has a big role in the conflict. They plant the seed of hatred and nurture it. It will not easily go away when it's rooted from a so young age.
We can give up on lands, but they want everything because they are being raised that way. Like a pre programmed machines.
Why would they stop if their goals would be far from achieved at the 67's borders. They are being taught of different things.
We also have our lunatics but the differences are noticeable.

[JustinDee]

What they'll want is a democracy. However with Hamas' cast-iron grip on Gaza, it doesn't look like they'll get it.
Still no opposition representatives permitted and still no elections forthcoming.

[wes]

A place under siege like Gaza, is a fertile breeding ground for extremists. When people are treated like crap, no one should be surprised that some will resort to extremism. Still, the OP seems to be engaged in hyperbole, as this isn't a group that runs all the schools.

There is also the fact that in the West Bank, that the people trying to work with Israel, are getting more land stolen, regular attacks from Israeli colonists (protected by the IDF), not to mention IDF attacks, and the general daily humilation of the occupation.

Its very much a case of damned if they do and damned if they don't, working with Israel results in the continuation of violence, occupation, and colonistion, and going against them result in a inhuman siege.

Also, for those who doubt the inhumanity of the siege, this report is food for taught:
Gaza water too contaminated to drink, say charities

There is of course no excuse for attack on civilians launched from Gaza, but by the same token, Israels siege is an attack on the entire population and hurt civilians more than anyone else. It is rank hypocrisy from the West to allow the siege to go on, because if they truly believe what they say in regards to attacks on civilians, they would put a stop to this.

[JustinDee]

As usual, "no excuse for violence but . . . "

[wes]

Originally Posted by JustinDee

As usual, "no excuse for violence but . . . "

So you another person, who can't understand the difference between, explaning why something happens and making excuses for it. Perhaps, you don't really care, and are happy to ignore why both sides are killing each other. If the conflict is going to end, then whether you like it or not, people tend to need to know why such things are happening. I will say it again, treat people like crap, and you can't really be surprised by some embracing extremism. You can choose to ignore that, and reap what you sow.

[mmalaka]

How can you convince them to make peace with an army occupying their lands and attacking them on every possible occasion?

[JustinDee]

Originally Posted by wes

So you another person, who can't understand the difference between, explaning why something happens and making excuses for it. Perhaps, you don't really care, and are happy to ignore why both sides are killing each other. If the conflict is going to end, then whether you like it or not, people tend to need to know why such things are happening. I will say it again, treat people like crap, and you can't really be surprised by some embracing extremism. You can choose to ignore that, and reap what you sow.

It is long past 'who started it'. Hamas especially have plenty of changing to do. As long as they have Gaza by the gullet, there won't be any change in tact against them.

[wes]

Originally Posted by JustinDee

It is long past 'who started it'.

I wasn't talking about who started it. I was talking about, why its still going on. If you ignore the reason for why either side does what it does, then there is little chance for ending the violence.

Originally Posted by JustinDee

Hamas especially have plenty of changing to do.

Yes, they do, but seeing as the Palestinians in the West Bank are working with Israel, and are getting attacks from colonists and the IDF on a regular basis, more and more colonies, and the entire occupation business, there is really very little incentive for change on there part. Regardless of what Palestinians do, Israel will punish them.

Originally Posted by JustinDee

As long as they have Gaza by the gullet, there won't be any change in tact against them.

So you support an inhuman siege that hurts the civilians more than it ever will Hamas? Sorry, but the support for Israels siege, is support for what is an attack on civilians. The West has shown its complete and utter hypocrisy when it comes to this conflict, but not putting a stop to the siege.

Even if Hamas change, there is no evidence that Israel will change in response, in fact we know exactly how Israel reacts to Palestinians trying to work with them, we see in the West Bank, with the constant colonial expansion on violence from Israel.

[Nodin]

Originally Posted by The Israeli

Children aren't born to hate. Grown ups teach them that. Starting from the age of 0.
I know that many Palestinians have died. What's the real point? Why did they die? On purpose or because of the actions of their grown ups?
The second and first intifadas, the countless terror attacks, the thousands of missiles.
.

...or because the colonisation project of their neighbour, which you seemed to have forgotten.