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TonyTonga · 09-06-2012, 10:24

I am genuinely preplexed. People talk about Murray's defensive capabilities and two tackles today will be pointed out but Reddan is equally adept at making those tackles. I think Murray made a number of costly mistakes today that lost us momentum and that in a great period of attacking phases he was so brutally slow that it cost us any opportunities.

Murray also has no link play with Sexton. He doesn't even attempt to play in the backline. Also did anyone notice how Reddan marshalls the pack when he comes on? When Murray plays theres no such cohesion.

I find Murray very poor and very detrimental to the team. His defensive capabilities is exactly the same reason used for starting Tomas O'Leary.

So who would you start next week?

Cpt_Blackbeard · 09-06-2012, 10:35

Murray was poor for two arguable penalties at the Scrum and had one or two poor boxkicks. Other than that, he had a decent game. His passing was generally good and his defense was top notch. Sensationalism at its finest.

TonyTonga · 09-06-2012, 10:35

His passing was SO SLOW. Unless you are solely referring to accuracy?

Fishooks12 · 09-06-2012, 10:36

Because Kidney is a bad coach who picks the wrong players

Can we close this thread now before it just becomes another outlet for bashing a player who despite his many flaws put his body on the line today

Banbridgeman · 09-06-2012, 10:37

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Originally Posted by Cpt_Blackbeard

Murray was poor for two arguable penalties at the Scrum and had one or two poor boxkicks. Other than that, he had a decent game. His passing was generally good and his defense was top notch. Sensationalism at its finest.

Take out the 13pts Murray cost us today and he was still poor. Delivery was slower than usual for him which is saying something!

irishbucsfan · 09-06-2012, 10:37

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Originally Posted by Cpt_Blackbeard

Murray was poor for two arguable penalties at the Scrum and had one or two poor boxkicks. Other than that, he had a decent game. His passing was generally good and his defense was top notch. Sensationalism at its finest.

Yep, agreed. Wouldn't start him but he was decent.

Cpt_Blackbeard · 09-06-2012, 10:45

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Originally Posted by Banbridgeman

Take out the 13pts Murray cost us today and he was still poor. Delivery was slower than usual for him which is saying something!

It really wasn't. The was little to nothing wrong with his speed of delivery once he settled into the game.

twinytwo · 09-06-2012, 10:45

does this really need its own thread???... no of us are kidney, only he knows the answer.

Benny Cake · 09-06-2012, 10:50

Voted Murray. Love his hair.

tolosenc · 09-06-2012, 10:51

Because of Kidney. Nothing against Murray, but it's clear as day that he's not the best option we have.

TonyTonga · 09-06-2012, 10:58

Its genuinely strange how Kidney refuses to start Reddan and Sexton together when our best performances have been with those two together.

It probably cost us the quarter final against Wales if we're honest. I remember Murray and ROG being abysmal in that game.

But Kidney persists with Murray, and he brings on ROG for the last twenty mins in EVERY game

ironingbored · 09-06-2012, 11:25

Anyone saying Murray wasn't slow out of the ruck, bad with box kicks and or accuracy of passing is living in dreamland.

Why doesn't Kidney pick Reddan and Sexton?
Why did he persist with DOC when Ryan is a far superior player?
Why were POM and Zebo parachuted into the team/squad when the likes of SOB, Ross had to become world class before being selected?
Why did he move Earls to 12 when his best position is wing/OC?
Why does ROG come on in every gameon 60 mins?
Why were the three best young players in Ireland this year (Madigan, D. Kearney and Gilroy) not brought to NZ?

Why?

Because Declan Kidney does not have a clue.

Quint2010 · 09-06-2012, 11:58

Can Kidney please just start with Reddan and Sexton so we can put this arguement to bed once and for all!

AdamD · 09-06-2012, 12:03

He wasn't actually that bad but I think it would definitely benefit the team to have the Reddan/Sexton combination starting.

Scioch · 09-06-2012, 12:53

Yeah he wasnt that bad but I think what bothers people is that he never is that good either. And when people want a change they naturally start with who's not stepping up to the level they should be playing at.

Darcy and Trimble weren't poor this season but people expect a bit more from them so if they dont step up people look for the next option. In Darcy's case we didnt have too many options and he still came in for a bit of stick, but in Murray's case we have a great option in Reddan but Kidney doesnt seem keen on making the change.

I think Kidney shares a lot of blame for the growing discontent with Murray, same as he did for turning TOL into a joke. Players should be earning their spot and Murray was denied that opportunity and hasnt proven Kidney right (yet). Then again at this stage he'd have to turn into one hell of a SH to shake off the view he's Kidneys new pet.

I assume Kidney persists with him for the same reason he persisted with TOL. He values physicality over speed at SH. And in my view that severely limits our attack in order to slightly boost our defence.

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09-06-2012, 10:24	#1
TonyTonga Registered User Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 108 Adverts \| Friends	Why Does Connor Murray start over Eoin Reddan? I am genuinely preplexed. People talk about Murray's defensive capabilities and two tackles today will be pointed out but Reddan is equally adept at making those tackles. I think Murray made a number of costly mistakes today that lost us momentum and that in a great period of attacking phases he was so brutally slow that it cost us any opportunities. Murray also has no link play with Sexton. He doesn't even attempt to play in the backline. Also did anyone notice how Reddan marshalls the pack when he comes on? When Murray plays theres no such cohesion. I find Murray very poor and very detrimental to the team. His defensive capabilities is exactly the same reason used for starting Tomas O'Leary. So who would you start next week?

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09-06-2012, 10:35	#2
Cpt_Blackbeard Registered User Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Limerick Posts: 2,391 Adverts \| Friends	Murray was poor for two arguable penalties at the Scrum and had one or two poor boxkicks. Other than that, he had a decent game. His passing was generally good and his defense was top notch. Sensationalism at its finest.

09-06-2012, 10:36	#4
Fishooks12 Closed Account Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 5,225 Adverts \| Friends	Because Kidney is a bad coach who picks the wrong players Can we close this thread now before it just becomes another outlet for bashing a player who despite his many flaws put his body on the line today

09-06-2012, 10:45	#8
twinytwo Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cork Posts: 3,557 Adverts \| Friends	does this really need its own thread???... no of us are kidney, only he knows the answer.

09-06-2012, 10:50	#9
Benny Cake Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Rabbit Rock Festival Posts: 2,272 Adverts \| Friends	Voted Murray. Love his hair.

09-06-2012, 10:51	#10
tolosenc Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 6,700 Adverts \| Friends	Because of Kidney. Nothing against Murray, but it's clear as day that he's not the best option we have.

09-06-2012, 10:58	#11
TonyTonga Registered User Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 108 Adverts \| Friends	Its genuinely strange how Kidney refuses to start Reddan and Sexton together when our best performances have been with those two together. It probably cost us the quarter final against Wales if we're honest. I remember Murray and ROG being abysmal in that game. But Kidney persists with Murray, and he brings on ROG for the last twenty mins in EVERY game

09-06-2012, 11:25	#12
ironingbored Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Location: North of the North Pole Posts: 1,678 Adverts \| Friends	Anyone saying Murray wasn't slow out of the ruck, bad with box kicks and or accuracy of passing is living in dreamland. Why doesn't Kidney pick Reddan and Sexton? Why did he persist with DOC when Ryan is a far superior player? Why were POM and Zebo parachuted into the team/squad when the likes of SOB, Ross had to become world class before being selected? Why did he move Earls to 12 when his best position is wing/OC? Why does ROG come on in every gameon 60 mins? Why were the three best young players in Ireland this year (Madigan, D. Kearney and Gilroy) not brought to NZ? Why? Because Declan Kidney does not have a clue.

09-06-2012, 11:58	#13
Quint2010 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Dublin Posts: 3,438 Adverts \| Friends	Can Kidney please just start with Reddan and Sexton so we can put this arguement to bed once and for all!

09-06-2012, 12:03	#14
AdamD Registered User Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Dublin Posts: 2,770 Adverts \| Friends	He wasn't actually that bad but I think it would definitely benefit the team to have the Reddan/Sexton combination starting.

09-06-2012, 12:53	#15
Scioch Closed Account Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 3,134 Adverts \| Friends	Yeah he wasnt that bad but I think what bothers people is that he never is that good either. And when people want a change they naturally start with who's not stepping up to the level they should be playing at. Darcy and Trimble weren't poor this season but people expect a bit more from them so if they dont step up people look for the next option. In Darcy's case we didnt have too many options and he still came in for a bit of stick, but in Murray's case we have a great option in Reddan but Kidney doesnt seem keen on making the change. I think Kidney shares a lot of blame for the growing discontent with Murray, same as he did for turning TOL into a joke. Players should be earning their spot and Murray was denied that opportunity and hasnt proven Kidney right (yet). Then again at this stage he'd have to turn into one hell of a SH to shake off the view he's Kidneys new pet. I assume Kidney persists with him for the same reason he persisted with TOL. He values physicality over speed at SH. And in my view that severely limits our attack in order to slightly boost our defence.