[_Gawd_]

The government have launched a website on the Fiscal Treaty - their argument? Vote Yes for Jobs! Now where have we heard that argument before? http://www.stabilitytreaty.ie/

Not only does the website look like something designed on Mars, but digging deeper you can see the governments total lack of knowledge on the subject in the following line:

Ireland will be in an EU/IMF Programme until 2013. After that, the aim is to go back to the money markets, as is the norm.
If we really needed it, we could get financial assistance from the new permanent rescue fund, the European Stability Mechanism. It’s only available to countries which ratify the Treaty.

While every effort is made in preparing material for publication no responsibility is accepted by or on behalf of the State for any errors, omissions or misleading statements on these pages or any site to which these pages connect.

Avoid this like the plague, folks...

[drdeadlift]

no no no no

[neil_hosey]

this explained it for me...

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...314926338.html

[Leftist]

yes

[AdamD]

People do realise we have to make budget cuts right? EU or no EU...

[smash]

Originally Posted by _Gawd_

http://www.stabilitytreaty.ie/

I would love to know how much they paid for that website.

[Guill]

Originally Posted by AdamD

People do realise we have to make budget cuts right? EU or no EU...

That's not what we are asked to vote on is it?

[SEPT 23 1989]

NEIN

[martin kelly.]

No more budget cuts were suffering enough.

[D1stant]

Originally Posted by smash

I would love to know how much they paid for that website.

'Bout 4 billion I'd guess

[_Gawd_]

Originally Posted by AdamD

People do realise we have to make budget cuts right? EU or no EU...

We have to balance the budget alright but that must be done at home by inserting it into our Constitution not at EU level. All this does is grant the EU more power over us by demanding that we vote or we won't get a second bailout. Do you know what a bailout does? It keeps worthless mismanaged companies afloat....

What we need to do is to liquidate the bad malinvestments and we'll see real growth in 6 months...

Europe - It's not Fascism When We DO It!
http://metrobloggen.se/metrobloggen/...ism_sweden.jpg

[Bambi]

Don't youse go making a holy show of us in front of europe!!

[practice]

With the likes of Phil Hogan, Alan Shatter, Eamon Gilmore telling me to vote yes I guess the only way to vote is NO

[D1stant]

Originally Posted by Bambi

Don't youse go making a holy show of us in front of europe!!

LOL

Where did this come from?

[Agricola]

Its a quandary. How much of this treaty is political gesticulating? Is it just simply a tool for the German government to show their electorate that they are keeping all these crazy foreigners in line? Will there be any real appetite for fully enforcing it in the future? Should we pass it in the hope that it will be largely forgotten about in the years ahead, in order to make sure we have access to more bailout money?

Or is it the real deal? Are we actually locking ourselves into decades of stagnation? A situation where we actually wont be able to break with annual budget cutting in order to get out of this endless recession, all because we fear real sanctions against us from Europe?

I think like so many things, no one really knows. Least of all the people in Brussels. Or is it Frankfurt. Its all a wing and a prayer. Which is exactly why I think these things shouldnt go to referendums.