Originally Posted by liammur
Now if FF are sincere, and they want to prove me wrong, expel Willie O Dea and any other minister of the time who challenged the tribunal e.g. O Dea talking about 'the tribunal investigating Ahern's communion money next'. This was a slant and an attempt to discredit the tribunal. There must be repercussions for such minisiters of that time if they are sincere.
I do believe that the party is acting in a sincere manner here, the whole organisation will be discussing the report at CDC level and I would imagine the vast majority of members will be calling for Ahern to lose his membership of the party. Ordinary members just feel absolutely let down by the actions of successive senior figures within the party, and want decisive action to make sure events like this are not repeated.
In regards the former ministers coming out and attacking the Tribunal - it just should not have happened, and said individuals do have a case to answer on this. However at the time there seemed to be an awful lot of questioning of the Tribunal, particularly within the media, which a lot of people bought - perhaps including the public which was demonstrated by the 07 election - alongside cabinet members themselves. In regards the cabinet, these were people that worked alongside Bertie Ahern and trusted him. However the fact of the matter is that the findings of the Tribunal have to be accepted and the Tribunal said that Bertie Ahern was lying. Also, we all need to learn now that this cult of the leader just has to end. Members of a political party, including senior leaders, should always be questioning and probing of the leadership of the party president. Maybe if that had occurred throughout the parties history then this would not have arisen in the first place. The likes of Flynn obviously thought they could just get away with it scott free - and for a long time they were right.
I know that myself, personally, bought into Bertie Ahern's account initially but as the Tribunal progressed his evidence was clearly all over the place. Some people may have been offering him the benefit of doubt, but now that the Tribunal has made its findings it is time to wake up and recognise that he was just simply down right lying in regards his accounts of events. The Tribunal may not have been able to make findings of corruption against Ahern, but we can all read between the lines.