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03-03-2012, 22:58   #1
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SSF4 AE 2012 community tierlist

Thought it might be fun to get everyone to post their opinions of their main characters match-ups, get a discussion going.

HONDA

SUPER FRAYY
Dudley: 8-2

FRAYY
Cammy: 7-3
Gen: 7-3
Guy: 7-3
Juri: 7-3
T. Hawk: 7-3

EASY
Abel: 6-4
Adon: 6-4
C. Viper: 6-4
Dan: 6-4
El Fuerte: 6-4
Hakan: 6-4
Ibuki: 6-4
Sakura: 6-4
Yang: 6-4
Yun: 6-4
Zangief: 6-4

EVEN
Makoto: 5.5-4.5
Balrog: 5-5
Blanka: 5-5
E.Honda: 5-5
E. Ryu: 5-5
Gouken: 5-5
Ken: 5-5
M. Bison: 5-5
Oni: 5-5
Rose: 5-5
Vega: 5-5

GETTING TOUGH
Rufus: 4.5 - 5.5
Akuma: 4-6
Fei Long: 4-6
Ryu: 4-6
Seth: 4-6

REALLY DIFFICULT
Cody: 3.5-6.5
Dee Jay: 3.5-6.5
Guile: 3-7
Chun Li: 3-7
Dhalsim: 3-7
Sagat: 3-7

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03-03-2012, 23:05   #2
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Dudley (Dignity)

GUTTER TRASH
Abel: 10-0
Adon: 10-0
Akuma: 10-0
Balrog: 10-0
Blanka: 10-0
C. Viper: 10-0
Cammy: 10-0
Chun Li: 10-0
Cody: 10-0
Dan: 10-0
Dee Jay: 10-0
Dhalsim: 10-0
E.Honda: 10- (-1)
El Fuerte: 10-0
E. Ryu: 10-0
Fei Long: 10-0
Gen: 10-0
Gouken: 10-0
Guile: 10-0
Guy: 10-0
Hakan: 10-0
Ibuki: 10-0
Juri: 10-0
Ken: 10-0
M. Bison: 10-1 (with cape)
Makoto: 10-0
Oni: 10-0
Rose: 10-0
Rufus: 10-0
Ryu: 10-0
Sagat: 10-0
Sakura: 10-0
Seth: 10-0
T. Hawk: 10-0
Vega: 10-0
Yang: 10-0
Yun: 10-0
Zangief: 10-0

DIGNIFIED
Dudley: 10-10

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03-03-2012, 23:19   #3
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-CODY-

Numbers on the left are Cody
Example: Cody - Scrub = 0-10

Abel: 3-7
Adon: 6-4
Akuma: 5.5-4.5
Balrog: 4.5-5.5
Blanka: 6.5-3.5
C. Viper: 5-5
Cammy: 3-7
Chun Li: 5-5
Cody: 5-5
Dan: 5-5
Dee Jay: 5.5 - 4.5
Dhalsim: 3-7
Dudley: 5-5
E.Honda: 6-4
El Fuerte: 3.5-6.5
E. Ryu: 5-5
Fei Long: 5-5
Gen: 5-5
Gouken: 4-6
Guile: 3-7
Guy: 5-5
Hakan: 5-5
Ibuki: 3.5-6.5
Juri: 4.5-5.5
Ken: 5-5
M. Bison: 5.5-4.5
Makoto: 4-6
Oni: 5-5
Rose: 4.5-5.5
Rufus: 5-5
Ryu: 4.5-5.5
Sagat: 3.5-6.5
Sakura: 5.5-4.5
Seth: 5.5-4.5
T. Hawk: 6-4
Vega: 6-4
Yang: 4.5-5.5
Yun: 4-6
Zangief: 4.5-6.5

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SAKURA

Sakura's numbers are on the left.

Abel: 5-5
Adon: 5.5-4.5
Akuma: 4-6
Balrog: 4-6
Blanka: 3.5-6.5
C. Viper: 5-5
Cammy: 4-6
Chun Li: 5-5
Cody: 4.5-5.5
Dan: 5.5-4.5
Dee Jay: 6 - 4
Dhalsim: 5-5
Dudley: 6-4
E.Honda: 4-6
El Fuerte: 6-4
E. Ryu: 6-4
Fei Long: 5-5
Gen: 5.5-4.5
Gouken: 6-4
Guile: 3-7
Guy: 6-4
Hakan: 5-5 (dunno)
Ibuki: 4.5-5.5
Juri: 6.5-3.5
Ken: 5-5
M. Bison: 4.5-5.5
Makoto: 5-5
Oni: 5-5
Rose: 4.5-5.5
Rufus: 5-5
Ryu: 4-6
Sagat: 5-5
Sakura: 5-5
Seth: 5-5
T. Hawk: 5.5-4.5
Vega: 6-4
Yang: 5-5
Yun: 4.5-5.5
Zangief: 4-6
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AKUMA

Abel: 6.5-3.5
Adon: 5-5
Akuma: --
Balrog: 6-4
Blanka: 5-5
C. Viper: 4-6
Cammy: 4-6
Chun Li: 6-4
Cody: 6-4
Dan: 6.5-3.5
Dee Jay: 6-4
Dhalsim: 7-3
Dudley: 6-4
E.Honda: 6.5-3.5
El Fuerte: 6-4
E. Ryu: 5-5
Fei Long: 6-4
Gen: 6-4
Gouken: 7-3
Guile: 6-4
Guy: 6-4
Hakan: 6-4
Ibuki: 6-4
Juri: 6-4
Ken: 5-5
M. Bison: 6-4
Makoto: 6-4
Oni: 6-4
Rose: 6.5-3.5
Rufus: 6-4
Ryu: 4-6
Sagat: 6.5-3.5
Sakura: 6-4
Seth: 5-5
T. Hawk: 7-3
Vega: 6-4
Yang: 5-5
Yun: 4-6
Zangief: 6-4

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04-03-2012, 16:46   #6
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Here are what I think Gouken's match ups are, though it's just my opinion. I've given reasons for ones that may be controversial:

Gouken

T. Hawk: 7-3 ( mp hadouken > T. Hawk )

Dan: 6-4 (Very easy to zone)
El Fuerte: 6-4
Hakan: 6-4
Ibuki: 6-4 (Can easily get out of/punish kunai vortext)
Juri: 6-4
Balrog: 6-4
Guile: 6-4
Chun Li: 6-4
Zangief: 5.5-4.5

Cody: 5-5
E.Honda: 5-5
E. Ryu: 5-5
Gouken: 5-5
Ken: 5-5
Ryu: 5-5
Yun: 5-5 (used to be very bad, now that yun is neutered perhaps not so bad)
Oni: 5-5

Sagat: 4.5 - 5.5 (Pretty even match up, but gouken has bad reversal for dealing with knee pressure and no two hit fb)
Sakura: 4.5 - 5.5 (I think gouken's ability to zone sak makes up for sak's ability to pressure, mostly)
Rufus: 4.5 - 5.5
Yang: 4.5 - 5.5 ( Don't really know, but haven't really lost to any yang's since 2012 )
Fei Long: 4.5-5.5

Makoto: 4-6 (don't know much about this, but zoning makoto's is easy enough)
Akuma: 4-6
Rose: 4-6
Guy: 4-6
M. Bison: 4-6
Seth: 4-6
Adon: 3.5-6.5
Blanka: 4-6
Dee Jay: 4-6
Abel: 4-6
C. Viper: 4-6

Cammy: 3-7 (can't zone,good pressure)

Gen: ?-?
Vega: ?-?
Dhalsim: ?-?

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My opinion not based on my skill. Based on the best out there

Dhalsim :

7-3 Gief
7-3 Hawk
6-4 Ryu
6-4 Dan
6-4 Honda
6-4 Rose
6-4 Cody

5-5 Vega
5-5 Guile
5-5 Gouken
5-5 Sagat
5-5 Sakura
5-5 Blanka

Everyone else is 4-6 or worse. Notable horrid 3-7 or 2-8 matches are cammy, akuma, yun, Viper and chun-li. He isn't very good. The Super Sim was a contender as a solid B tier but he was hurt badly since then.

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Blanka

Free

T. Hawk: 7-3(possibly 8-2)
Gouken: 7-3
Dan: 7-3

In blankas favour

C. Viper: 6-4
Dee Jay: 6-4
Oni: 6-4
E. Ryu: 6-4

Even


Abel: 5-5
Akuma: 5-5
Dhalsim: 5-5
Dudley: 5-5
E.Honda: 5-5
El Fuerte: 5-5
Gen: 5-5
Guy: 5-5
Hakan: 5-5
Ibuki: 5-5
Juri: 5-5
M. Bison: 5-5
Rose: 5-5
Rufus: 5-5
Zangief: 5-5

Not in blanka's favour (slightly)

Ryu: 4.5-5.5
Ken: 4.5-5.5
Makoto:4.5-5.5

Hard going


Balrog: 4-6
Chun Li: 4-6
Cody: 4-6
Vega: 4-6
Sakura: 4-6
Seth: 4-6
Guile: 4-6

Rapeage

Sagat: 3-7
Fei Long: 3-7
Cammy: 3-7

No opinion

Adon:
Yang:
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<< Heroic Keyboard " Balrog " >>
(XYZ Left, Balrog Right)


Abel: 6.0-4.0
(Knockown wins - Sadly, Balrog winning knockdown doesn't amount to much in comparison to Abel).

Adon: 5-5
(No real opinion, here, so sticking to standard 5-5)

Akuma: 5-5
(Can be rough vs decent mixup Akuma's but in general Akuma's poor health can be abused given half a chance - Bad Akuma's are dead in a few combos - Sadly most I face are said bad Akuma's).

Balrog: xxxxxxxx
(Worst mirror match in the game imho and I'm not saying that just because I play Balrog)

Blanka: 5-5
(Matchup is in Balrogs favour, I just never get to play Blanka enough for the experience against him - 50/50 in most cases)

C. Viper: 4-6
(Similar to Akuma with exception to her being easier avoided and easier punished)

Cammy: 4-6
(Apart from decent wakeup abuse, Cammy got a hard time getting in to do anything else)

Chun Li: 5-5
(Chun's favour but ironically I enjoy this matchup and have had decent success with it thus far)

Cody: 5-5
(Find quite a lot of Cody's lately, had to contend with B ranks as well as a sparring partner who swapped to him and knows his stuff - Overall I wager it's very very slightly in my favour most of the time)

Dan: 4-6
(No opinion)

Dee Jay: 4.5-5.5
(Like Guile matchup, but easier to get in)

Dhalsim: 4-6
(Falls into the same old 'I can annoy you but will die if you just happen to land anything' category)

Dudley: 4.5-5.5
(Everyone knows this favours Balrog, even Rog with Ultra 1)

E.Honda: 5-5
(I love & hate this matchup - Ultimately it's one of the most even so no complaints)

El Fuerte: 4-6
(Again, 'annoying/squishy' category)

E. Ryu: 4.5-5.5
(It's Ryu, just... Not as bad)

Fei Long: 5.5-4.5
(Don't mind this matchup though Fei seems to have on par pokes and safer options overall)

Gen: 4-6
('Annoyi... Oh, wait, squishy')

Gouken: 5-5
(Love this matchup, play with a sparring partner since Vanilla and always a tug of war)

Guile: 6.5-3.5
(Hate... This... Git...)

Guy: 5-5
(Nothing too overpowering)

Hakan: 3-7
(He really can't do anything, here)

Ibuki: 5-5
(Annoying... Relatively squish but seemingly more annoying than squish).

Juri: 5-5
(Only played one good Juri so far - The rest are that air kick spamming type who love eating headbutts - Undecided 5-5)

Ken: 5-5
(Common - Entirely down to skill)

M. Bison: 5-5
(Love & Hate this matchup - All rides on who is the more successful aggressor but even nonetheless)

Makoto: 4.5-5.5
(Not fought many but it seems that Roggy has the upper hand slightly)

Oni: 4-6
(Unlike the regular shoto's, Rog doesn't seem too phased by Oni's kit)

Rose: 4-6
(It's Guile... Just with different hair and much easier to splash all over the place)

Rufus: 4.5-5.5
(Pokety poke)

Ryu: 5-5
(Same old Ryu)

Sagat: 6.5-3.5
(Despite all the changed [super/aoe] I still have struggles against the majority of Fágats)

Sakura: 3.5-6.5
(Splat)

Seth: 6.5-3.5
(The one 'squishy' who has enough to prevent me squishing them consistantly)

T. Hawk: 4.5-5.5
(Pretty sure it's Rog favoured but I tend to pay too much respect to the grappers and eat more 360's than I should)

Vega: 4-6
(Met a few who are perfectly capable of kicking my ass... But he's still squishy as hell and so easy to dizzy, can often turn all a Vega's hard-work around and claw out the win)

Yang: 5-5
(Ironically I've not met enough of the Twins to form a solid opinion - Beaten some, lost to some, undecided)

Yun: 5-5
(See above)

Zangief: 6-4
(Matchup has been debated to death on the Balrog forums... Way I see it is much like Abel... Yes, I can keep Zangief out... But thats not always guaranteed. Balrog can't really do much other than keep him out whereas Gief can mixup, vortex and scare/pressure - Loathe this matchup)
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Guile

Free as a bird:

T. Hawk: 3-7 (If Guile is on form, just no way in)
Dan: 7-3 (Non fireball shoto = free to Guile)
Dudley: 3-7 (Dudley has great trouble getting near Guile)
Dee Jay: 3-7 (Guile completely decides tempo of match and can force deejay to approach whenever he feels like)
Gen: 3-7 (Gen has virtually no way in, air throwing wall dives are especially humiliating I've heard)

Easy enough

Cammy: 4-6 (DB > Cammy, also cr hp OS)
E.Honda: 4-6 (At least Honda can apply a lot of pressure if he does get in)
Gouken: 4-6 (If a top Guile is on form Gouken's not getting near him)
Guy: 4-6 (Guile seems to have an answer for everything Gut tries)
Yang: 4-6 (by reputation- I haven't played any)
Yun: 4-6 (ditto)
Cody: 4-6 (If Guile can keep him out- and he can- its a tough match)
Vega: 4-6 (Rare match where Guile can almost attack mindlessly)
Rufus: 4-6 (cr hp OS is amind game all to itse;f against Rufus)
Ryu: 4-6 (Ryu pwns at close range but a lot of Guiles stuff shuts him down)
M. Bison: 4-6 (better than it was, but still difficult)

Even (or thereabouts)

Adon: 5-5 (From personal experience, dunno how the pros rate it)
Balrog: 5.5-4.5 (hate this match. hate hate hate. But I think an on point Guile can win.)
Chun Li: 5.5-4.5 (Comes down to mind games once Chun gets U1)
Hakan: 5-5 (not much experience)
Ken: 5-5 (Classic SF4 Guile match, Guile owns at distance, loses badly up close. Becomes game of tag.)
Makoto: 5-5 (Same as Ken)
Sagat: 5.5-4.5 (Guile has a sweet spot where his normals kill Sagat, not as bad as it used to be.)
Sakura: 5-5 (same as ken/ makoto)


Getting tough...

Blanka: 6-4 (unblockables, ch knockdowns, blankas who say this is even are talking out their arses)
El Fuerte: 6-4 (makes Guile guess. All good Guiles hate guessing)
E. Ryu: 6-4 (any unmetered fireball with endurance owns guile.)
Fei Long: 6-4 (Not as bad as it was, removal of CH nerf to Guile makes it much easier)
Juri: 6-4 (Juri can be tough in 2012)
Oni: 6-4 (See E Ryu)
Rose: 6.5-3.5 (Not as bad as some make out, patience can win this match)
Zangief: 6-4 (Though maybe I just need to adjust to new SPD range).

FFS:

Abel: 7-3 (Guile knockdown + abel OS = guile loses)
Akuma: 7-3 (Guile's so free to Akuma on wake up it's silly)
Ibuki: 7-3 (Same as Akuma)
Seth: 7-3 (Too many mix up options means even Deiminion throws out random FKs against Seth )

Pick another character:

C. Viper: 8-2 (Everything is a guess. There's very little a Guile can do against her)
Dhalsim: 8-2 (without his super meter, Guile just cant compete with Sim.)
Guile: (10-0 to the Guile who shades of victories first)
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You have them the wrong way around DooM (Except Dan and the 5-5s)
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Juri

( note: These are based on me using ultra 2, I have never being a fan of her ultra 1, despite the buffs it got in AE2012 )

T.Hawk: 7 - 3 ( Juri's zoning completely destroys T.Hawk ability to get in, with T.Hawk having to use meter to get in, which was only a AE2012 innovation )

Abel: 5 - 5

Adon: 5.5 - 4.5 ( A well timed s.mk can stuff ALL of Adon's dive kicks )

Akuma: 4 - 6

Balrog: 4 - 6

Blanka: 4.5 - 5.5 ( Juri can easily stuff blanka balls with well timed pokes but the match is still slightly in blanka's favor imo )

C.Viper: ? - ? ( I honestly haven't played enough good Vipers to pass properly judgement )

Cammy: 4 - 6 ( Cammy's damage buffs in AE2012 hurt, still nowhere as bad as it was in Super )

Chun-Li: 4 - 6 ( On simple reason: ex-lightening legs into Ultra 2 )

Cody: 4 - 6

Dan: 5.5 - 4.5

Deejay: 4 - 6

Dudley: 6 - 4

E.Honda: 3 - 7 ( Horrible, horrible match up for Juri. It's always being one of her worst matchs up imo )

El Fuerte: 5 - 5

E. Ryu: 5 - 5

Fei Long: 5 - 5 ( Juri is quite capable of keeping him out and Fei Long is quite capable of getting in )

Gen: 5.5 - 4.5

Gouken: 4 - 6

Guile: 4 - 6 ( Nowhere as bad as it was in Super )

Guy: 5 - 5

Hakan: 5.5 - 4.5

Ibuki: 5 - 5

Juri: 5 - 5

Ken: 5 - 5

M.Bison: 4 - 6

Makoto: 5 - 5

Oni: 5-5

Rose: 4 - 6

Rufus: 5-5

Ryu: 4.5 - 5.5 ( Mainly owing to SRK>FADC>U1 )

Sagat: 4 - 6

Sakura: 3 - 7 ( The other really bad match up for Juri following Honda. She walks too fast to properly zone, hits like a truck and can keep the pressure on without mercy )

Seth: 4 - 6

Vega: 5.5 - 4.5

Yang: ?? - ??

Yun: ?? - ??

Zangief: 4.5 - 5.5
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