Originally Posted by cagefan
Hey, from what I see on educationposts.ie the most jobs advertised are maths. I'm in a similar position to urself, 31 unemployed with science degree and masters and have applied for Hdip. People seem to really negative about the prospects of getting a job but from what I can see and I have been looking for a job for the last 2 years ( although I was doing a masters and really just trying to get a lay of the land for job prospects for the 1st year) is that their is more jobs advertised for sub work/part time work than the area which I am qualified in (which is environmental).
I'm not trying to suggest that you'll walk into a job or anything but I often feel that people here seem to think that teaching has been more affected than everywhere else. From the perspective of the regularity of jobs being advertised I just don't think that is the case. Obviosuly I dont have the full picture as I am not working as a teacher but I have spent quite a bit of time researching and watching what positions are becoming available. However, I'd imagine competition for these positions is intense.
I also feel that their will always be a need for teachers and if it is something you are passionate about you will get a job in the future in Ireland. The UK are also short on teachers especially science and math so I think the Hdip is something which is a good option for my situation in that I am facing leaving Ireland. at least as a teacher I can get experience and come back while in the environmental sector this may not be the case.
I suppose what people are trying to say is that while the conditions of being a teacher might appear good on the face of it, alot of work and patience is required and you need to be prepared to accept alot of crap from students and probably parents.
Just to point out I'm a maths/music teacher qualified and I would be negative about the job prospects. If you are looking at education posts after nov of any year all of those posts are short term contracts (except maternity leave which can be longer) anything from covering someone out sick for a couple of weeks up as far as one lasting until June 1st. This means you could be moving schools constantly and be interviewing several times a year to get posts.
Unless you are employed on RPT before nov 1st with very few exceptions you will not get paid for the summer or your holidays e.g. Easter meaning a lot of saving to cover yourself. You can sign on but anecdotally the dole office are v rude about it lately and personal experience is that with delays I didn't get it until oct when I was back at work. Not saying it wasn't handy to get it though even at that stage.
Not many non permanent teachers get full time hours but would be expected to be in school full time and participate with/run after school activities to try and keep their post the following year. Jobs are increasingly being split into smaller and smaller contracts. So where previously one teacher would be hired on 22hrs, 3 teachers are hired on hours that add to the 22. While this means theremoreT''more jobs, they are by no means full time.There are quite a few teachers in my shool on less than 10 hours and one on 6. Their only hope is to hang around each day and pray that they get classes to cover to make up the deficit in salary. I'm on 2/3rds hours and that's considered great.
You need at least 4 years in one school on your own hours to qualify for a CID and this is pretty much the only way to get the holy grail of jobs-permanency. However this is increasingly difficult with job cuts across the sector. You could be three years on contracts and suddenly with budget cuts your out on your ear and have to start all over again on year 1 in another school. The ASTI said the average waiting time for a permanent position in second level was7 years during the boom, it's much more now I would reckon.
Having said all that OP if you really want to teach you definitely need to take the advice given and go and offer to shadow in several schools before forking out over 6k for the dip. Go into teaching with your eyes open to both job prospects and the nature of the job and who knows you may love it. I know I do. Just take the advice and do the research in schools first.