[EnterNow]

Trek is riddled in things that just don't make sense. For instance, I was watching TNG "The Next Phase" last night & thought to myself, ok Geordi & Ro can pass through walls, bulkheads, & basically all matter. Why don't they fall through the floors?

What other examples of plot device failures have you noticed?

[TheIrishGrover]

Well, if you're going to go down that path you may as well give up Sci-Fi altogether We all think that when we hear the term "out of phase". lol They actually mentioned that in a very funny episode of Stargate. Can't find the clip but here's another clip from the same episode:

[EnterNow]

Originally Posted by TheIrishGrover

Well, if you're going to go down that path you may as well give up Sci-Fi altogether

I'm not nitpicking, I love sci-fi & accept it. Sure what's star trek but a load of people flying around in a metal box faster than the speed of light? No, there's so much more to it.

But in this case, I just find it amusing that Geordi & Ro can walk on the deck plates while at the same time passing through walls.

[folan]

it takes alot more concentratibo than you might think to be able to concentrate on not falling through the floor. They could go through the floors if they wanted, but thats hardly practicle. where as they just show off with the walls.

[nyarlothothep]

I'm not a physicist but if there was no mass pulling them downwards couldn't they just walk on the floors (sort of) without falling through them unless they wanted to walk through them?

Also the whole aliens in the transporter stream with Barclay was terrible, shouldn't he have been just a mass of particles being sent and reconstructed from one place to the other rather than being a whole person?

Voyager is responsible for so many science gaffs and I haven't watched it in years because I'm still haunted by it but the one where Janeway decides to fly through two binary stars to get rid of the alien observers made me feel like the ship should have been compacted into a tin can long before the point of passing through them. Janeway was really reckless on that one, "ok I'll just risk killing us all just to get rid of these aliens", yeah brilliant idea.

Lets see the Holodeck really makes no sense at all, brilliant in theory though and I want to see them in the next 10 years.

The episode where Picard, Data and Troi are in a different frame of reference to the crew, they're moving at a normal speed through space compared to the Ent. So when Picard touches the transporter chief, shouldn't the speed at which that gesture is given wound the chief who appears stationary because he's moving through time at a much slower or am I missing something here?

[EnterNow]

Originally Posted by nyarlothothep

I'm not a physicist but if there was no mass pulling them downwards couldn't they just walk on the floors (sort of) without falling through them unless they wanted to walk through them?

Em, artificial gravity in the deck plates? Sure maybe they wouldn't fall through the floor, but they've certainly pass through the carpets & down a little bit into the deck surely? If that's the case, how are they even able to walk/run? They've no friction

Originally Posted by nyarlothothep

Also the whole aliens in the transporter stream with Barclay was terrible, shouldn't he have been just a mass of particles being sent and reconstructed from one place to the other rather than being a whole person?

Voyager is responsible for so many science gaffs and I haven't watched it in years because I'm still haunted by it but the one where Janeway decides to fly through two binary stars to get rid of the alien observers made me feel like the ship should have been compacted into a tin can long before the point of passing through them. Janeway was really reckless on that one, "ok I'll just risk killing us all just to get rid of these aliens", yeah brilliant idea.

Lets see the Holodeck really makes no sense at all, brilliant in theory though and I want to see them in the next 10 years.

The episode where Picard, Data and Troi are in a different frame of reference to the crew, they're moving at a normal speed through space compared to the Ent. So when Picard touches the transporter chief, shouldn't the speed at which that gesture is given wound the chief who appears stationary because he's moving through time at a much slower or am I missing something here?

Exactly. I forgot about the Barclay one, that's guilty also. It conveys the idea that your still 'solid' while in the transporter beam.

[nyarlothothep]

Originally Posted by EnterNow

Em, artificial gravity in the deck plates? Sure maybe they wouldn't fall through the floor, but they've certainly pass through the carpets & down a little bit into the deck surely? If that's the case, how are they even able to walk/run? They've no friction



Exactly. I forgot about the Barclay one, that's guilty also. It conveys the idea that your still 'solid' while in the transporter beam.

Agh I know! It makes no sense, there is no way to rationalise how they can even move, a terrible scientific premise for an episode. I like the episodes where there is no pretense at making sense like when they go back in time to meet Mark Twain, just because the writers wanted Mark Twain in an episode.

[IvySlayer]

OK, Voyagers just a plot hole in general but, if Admiral Janeway went back in time with technology from the future surely the technology would no longer exist as the timeline where it was invented is gone!

[Goldstein]

The way they magically mastered time travel to get home at the end of TVH and FC. Did they forget how to do it afterwards or can every ship now (Post First Contact) travel arbitrarily through time if they just "recreate the conditions"?

[nyarlothothep]

Originally Posted by IvySlayer

OK, Voyagers just a plot hole in general but, if Admiral Janeway went back in time with technology from the future surely the technology would no longer exist as the timeline where it was invented is gone!

By going back in time she automatically created an alternate universe. Paradoxes cannot exist by virtue of the fact that they cancel out their own existence so Star Trek may as well be regarded as a whole set of alternate universes, the crew at the end of each show are not the same crew you saw at the beginning.

[Pride Fighter]

Originally Posted by EnterNow

Trek is riddled in things that just don't make sense. For instance, I was watching TNG "The Next Phase" last night & thought to myself, ok Geordi & Ro can pass through walls, bulkheads, & basically all matter. Why don't they fall through the floors?

What other examples of plot device failures have you noticed?

Ro and Geordi falling through the floor. I suppose you could say the same about the USS Pegasus and its phased cloaking device. Someone could say, oh its only the outer hull that is phased and that can pass through anything.

So would there be guards to guard the outer hull?? Could a crew member run at the outer hull and fall out of the ship?

[Pride Fighter]

Also the long range transport in the new Star Trek reboot makes no sense at all.

[Cossax]

Originally Posted by Pride Fighter

Ro and Geordi falling through the floor. I suppose you could say the same about the USS Pegasus and its phased cloaking device. Someone could say, oh its only the outer hull that is phased and that can pass through anything.

So would there be guards to guard the outer hull?? Could a crew member run at the outer hull and fall out of the ship?

Presumably the entire ship, crew included, is out of phase together and as such isn't an issue?

[Pride Fighter]

Originally Posted by Cossax

Presumably the entire ship, crew included, is out of phase together and as such isn't an issue?

Then why dont the crew fall through the floor then??

[Cossax]

Originally Posted by Pride Fighter

Then why dont the crew fall through the floor then??

Perhaps I should have highlighted the bit about the Pegasus - the whole ship is out of phase and why would the behaviour of the ship/its contents be any different as long as they're in the same 'phase'?