[G.K.]

I realise this is quite the left-field question, does anyone know any decent books on East Timor during the Indonesian occupation?

Much appreciated.

[WilcoOut]

could somebody recommend a book that would cover the Middle East conflict in its entirety?

also, could somebody recommend a book that would cover the Israeli - Palestine conflict in its entirety?

Im not looking for something too in depth - more of a synopsis for somebody with a non existent/basic knowledge of the regions and conflicts in question

Cheers!

[pedroeibar1]

Originally Posted by WilcoOut

could somebody recommend a book that would cover the Middle East conflict in its entirety?

also, could somebody recommend a book that would cover the Israeli - Palestine conflict in its entirety?

Im not looking for something too in depth - more of a synopsis for somebody with a non existent/basic knowledge of the regions and conflicts in question

Cheers!

The Great War for Civilisation by Robert Fisk is a very worthwhile read.

[WilcoOut]

Originally Posted by pedroeibar1

The Great War for Civilisation by Robert Fisk is a very worthwhile read.

little bit heavy for what im looking for!

anything else a little lighter?

[RGM]

Someone recommended How the Irish Saved Civilization to me, but I'm not sure how much weight their opinion should hold. Anyone read it?

http://www.amazon.com/Irish-Saved-Ci.../dp/0385418493

[GRMA]

The famine plot by Tim pat coogan. Terrific.

Although it will haunt you.

[WilcoOut]

Originally Posted by GRMA

The famine plot by Tim pat coogan. Terrific.

Although it will haunt you.

its on the christmas list

im glad u found it good, cant wait to get my paws on it

[upncmnhistori]

The Black and Tans
British Police and Auxiliaries in the Irish War of Independence, 1920-1921 by
D. M. Leeson

The Transformation of Ireland 1900-2000 by Dr. Diarmuid Ferriter.

Ireland's Misfortune the turbulent life of Kitty O'Shea by Dr. Elisabeth Kehoe

[Thomas_I]

Originally Posted by upncmnhistori

... The Transformation of Ireland 1900-2000 by Dr. Diarmuid Ferriter...

How was that book in regards to its chapters? I mean what is the main topic he´s concentrating by each decade. I´m considering to evtl. buy that book some time, but still I don´t know whether it is not just merely a repeating of most events also to find in T.P. Coogans book about Ireland in the 20th Century.

[Reekwind]

It's more an overview. A comparison with Hobsbawm's long century trilogy isn't entirely fitting (as few can match Hobsbawm's ease with the pen) but Ferriter takes a similar approach - skimming events and focusing primarily on the social undercurrents. So while some events naturally dominate their eras (the Rising, Emergency, Troubles, etc) they're rarely centrestage

[Thomas_I]

Originally Posted by Reekwind

It's more an overview. A comparison with Hobsbawm's long century trilogy isn't entirely fitting (as few can match Hobsbawm's ease with the pen) but Ferriter takes a similar approach - skimming events and focusing primarily on the social undercurrents. So while some events naturally dominate their eras (the Rising, Emergency, Troubles, etc) they're rarely centrestage

Thanks for that which makes it a bit more interesting to read it. It might tell the story from a different part of view.

[upncmnhistori]

Originally Posted by Thomas_I

How was that book in regards to its chapters? I mean what is the main topic he´s concentrating by each decade. I´m considering to evtl. buy that book some time, but still I don´t know whether it is not just merely a repeating of most events also to find in T.P. Coogans book about Ireland in the 20th Century.

Chapters 1 - 3 are based on social history of Ireland, including Easter Rising
to the Irish Civil War.

Chapter's 4 -5 contains the economic war, FF Vs Cumman Na Gael (FG),
the role of the Catholic Church in Ireland, Noel Browne. The slum's in
Dublin.

Chapter's 6-7 is education system reform with Patrick Hillary, emigration,
E. E. C., and the outbreak of the troubles in N. Ireland.

Chapters 7-9: Not much as in the previous chapters usually its Fianna Fail,
Fr. Brendan Smyth story, Progressive Democrats. The fall of the Roman Catholic church.

I haven't read T. P. Coogan's book nor have I read any of his books although he was recommended reading in my degree along with Ferriter, R. F. Foster, and Conor Cruise O' Brian. I am starting to think women historian author's don't get recommended correct me if I am wrong but we never stopped hearing the names of Foster, Coogan, Ferriter, and Cruise O'Brian.

[Thomas_I]

Originally Posted by upncmnhistori

Chapters 1 - 3 are based on social history of Ireland, including Easter Rising
to the Irish Civil War.

Chapter's 4 -5 contains the economic war, FF Vs Cumman Na Gael (FG),
the role of the Catholic Church in Ireland, Noel Browne. The slum's in
Dublin.

Chapter's 6-7 is education system reform with Patrick Hillary, emigration,
E. E. C., and the outbreak of the troubles in N. Ireland.

Chapters 7-9: Not much as in the previous chapters usually its Fianna Fail,
Fr. Brendan Smyth story, Progressive Democrats. The fall of the Roman Catholic church.

I haven't read T. P. Coogan's book nor have I read any of his books although he was recommended reading in my degree along with Ferriter, R. F. Foster, and Conor Cruise O' Brian. I am starting to think women historian author's don't get recommended correct me if I am wrong but we never stopped hearing the names of Foster, Coogan, Ferriter, and Cruise O'Brian.

Thank you very much for your efforts to tell me in short about the chapters. I appreciate that.

I´ve once started to read T. P. Coogan´s book "Ireland in the 20th Century" and up to the 1940s and so I haven´t finished it yet. I´ve just finished his biography about Michael Collins recently. It´s interesting to read his books because he´s going deep into the subject, sometimes a bit to far in examaning it which can sometimes be a bit boring, but the inwoven short remarks from his family background on some events then are refreshing.

Aside of Coogan´s books I´ve a couple of T. Ryle Dwyer and a few other authors. Ferriter is rather new to me and I´ve noticed from other posts that he has an different approach on Irish history in compare to other historians.

As you´ve mentioned it, I also can´t recall any femal historian authors on Irish history. I´ve never payed much attention to that because usually I select the books based on their title, short discription about its contents and the historical period it is about.

[upncmnhistori]

Originally Posted by Thomas_I

Thank you very much for your efforts to tell me in short about the chapters. I appreciate that.

I´ve once started to read T. P. Coogan´s book "Ireland in the 20th Century" and up to the 1940s and so I haven´t finished it yet. I´ve just finished his biography about Michael Collins recently. It´s interesting to read his books because he´s going deep into the subject, sometimes a bit to far in examaning it which can sometimes be a bit boring, but the inwoven short remarks from his family background on some events then are refreshing.

Aside of Coogan´s books I´ve a couple of T. Ryle Dwyer and a few other authors. Ferriter is rather new to me and I´ve noticed from other posts that he has an different approach on Irish history in compare to other historians.

As you´ve mentioned it, I also can´t recall any female historian authors on Irish history. I´ve never payed much attention to that because usually I select the books based on their title, short discription about its contents and the historical period it is about.

As for female writers it was always male selected authors in our classes but diving into self-research of women's studies Maria Luddy and Dr. Caitriona Clear come up a lot. Your welcome I thought I was waffling a bit.
I must check out T. Ryle Dwyer. We were told that Ferriter is what is called a 'post-revionist' historian. To be honest I found doing revisionist history quiet daunting but I prefer historian that dig deep and keep things straight forward and chronollogically. I do warn you in Ferriter's book there is a lot to take in per page but its well worth the read when you get to the end of it.

Continueing the list of recommended reading I know its politics but it includes the history of corruption in it.

Political corruption in Ireland: A Crooked Harp? by Elaine A. Byrne. Very interesting book the amount of times that Haughey and Ray Burke pop up in it though... what I didn't like about it is that there were so many words I didn't understand and had to go get the dictionary to understand them and I love heavy reading.

[Thomas_I]

Originally Posted by upncmnhistori

As for female writers it was always male selected authors in our classes but diving into self-research of women's studies Maria Luddy and Dr. Caitriona Clear come up a lot. Your welcome I thought I was waffling a bit.
I must check out T. Ryle Dwyer. We were told that Ferriter is what is called a 'post-revionist' historian. To be honest I found doing revisionist history quiet daunting but I prefer historian that dig deep and keep things straight forward and chronollogically. I do warn you in Ferriter's book there is a lot to take in per page but its well worth the read when you get to the end of it.

Continueing the list of recommended reading I know its politics but it includes the history of corruption in it.

Political corruption in Ireland: A Crooked Harp? by Elaine A. Byrne. Very interesting book the amount of times that Haughey and Ray Burke pop up in it though... what I didn't like about it is that there were so many words I didn't understand and had to go get the dictionary to understand them and I love heavy reading.

I find it always interesting when these book authors appear on TV documentary because it gives one a different impression of them when they´re interviewed on a subject. I know Ferriter only from such documentaries and the way he´s talking about some historical things sounds a bit complicated to me. I thought that his books are likewise complicated written. That´s something that most academics have in common, I´d say.

I think that some time I´ll have a try on Ferriters book.