Whey Protein - Beginner Q

Yer Aul One wrote: »

You would be better off taking smaller amounts of whey at different times. If you take more than a scoop in an hour you will only end up pi$$ing it out.

That's a myth that's been long since debunked.

Yer Aul One wrote: »

You would be better off taking smaller amounts of whey at different times. If you take more than a scoop in an hour you will only end up pi$$ing it out.

That doesn't happen. If it did, you could eat massive lean steaks not put on fat as you pi$$ away the calories, but you obviously can't do that.

Edit: I try get it naturally but it can be hard bloody work! Nobody likes the guy eating tuna at his desk...

120g is pretty easy naturally, thats not alot. A small 200g portion of meat provides 50-60g. One at lunch and dinner and you'll be there, and thats with about 2000 more cals to eat for the day.

Yer Aul One wrote: »

I thought the difference was that solids like steaks are harder to break down and spend longer in the gut, therefore giving the body more time to absorb.

Whereas, with the whey, it is a solution and easily passes through the gut.

TBH, this is just what I read. There is so much different "studies" out there that totally tell conflicting stories. But this particular one made sense to me (even if it was paid for by a protein co).

http://www.precisionnutrition.com/rr-whey-too-much

Check out the link below. De bunks the myth pretty well.

LINK

Yer Aul One wrote: »

I thought the difference was that solids like steaks are harder to break down and spend longer in the gut, therefore giving the body more time to absorb.

Whereas, with the whey, it is a solution and easily passes through the gut.

TBH, this is just what I read. There is so much different "studies" out there that totally tell conflicting stories. But this particular one made sense to me (even if it was paid for by a protein co).

Interesting point in that article that I was happy to see....

"From this study it’s also evident that higher doses of whey protein are better absorbed if you take digestive enzymes at the same time. When you do this, you get higher amino acid levels in your blood, so that you have more available to your muscles and other tissues"

I've been taking digestive enzymes with my protein for about a year now after I saw hall of fame bodybuilder Leroy Colbert talking about them, I definitely feel better and less gassy after large doses of protein, my body is obviously utilizing the aminos more efficiently.

Blacktie. wrote: »

You're probably talking micro grams extra. The bio avaialbility of whey is already up in the 90+ percentage.

Well, the thing is, after my workouts I usually get both solid proteins and whey, so when I say "take my protein" I'm cover a few different bases. Not only speaking of whey, you're right about the bio-availability of whey, it's pretty awesome already. But any edge is good.

Yer Aul One wrote: »

I think we are talking about different things. My point is that there is a finite amount of time for your gut to absorb whey protein. It does it at a certain rate. If your dose exceeds the rate in terms of the finite time, you end up just passing the protein.

At first glance, that might sound logical. Drink too much and it gets pee'd out before you absorb it. But it's makes no sense if you actually think about it.

It can't get to bladder without being absorbed into the bloodstream?
The pathway is; absorbed from the gut into the bloodstream, the kidneys clean the blood of waste and pass waste to the bladder and you pee it out.

So you can't pi$$ it out without it getting into the bloodstream first. And as we established in the previous link. Once its in, it gets used.

The link you posted, made a few ridiculous suggestions and jump to a stupid conclusion, in order to make their point, or should I say sell you something.

Little Miss Muffet drank a 50 gram whey protein shake. Since Miss Muffet can absorb only 10 grams every hour. How long does it take for Miss Muffet to absorb all the protein?
50 grams / 10 grams per hour = 5 hours
So, it would take 5 hours to digest all that protein. But remember, we have only 1.5 hours to get ‘er done. Therefore Miss Muffet has no chance of absorbing all of it. She’ll absorb – at most – 15 grams. And the other 35 grams? Well, they’re wasted. Unless…

As they point out later, 50g whey is 42.5g protein, so the time is closer to 4 hours - but thats not whats wrong with their suggestion.

The idea of a 1.5 hour window is nonsense. Assuming their numbers are true (they probably aren't), if the liquid gets absorbed after 1.5 hours. The protein is left behind. How are they jumping to the conclusions that this is no longer usable?
They just told it it gets absorbed at a rate of 10g per hour, so it'll just sit their still digesting for another 2.5 hours or so.


/debunk

Am I following a nonsense routine? A good few people tell me I have to change my gym workouts to dedicated muscle groups and go more. If I am honest, I like working out 3 days a week and I prefer to cover a good lot of different muscle groups while I am there. But if I have to change, I will

You're not following a ridiculous routine at all. Full body workouts are most definitely highly effective once done right. What's the routine you're doing?

Question, if you boys could oblige. I go to the gym 3 times a week and complete a full body workout when there. I have been trying to change up my exercises periodically as I have heard this is essential (I definitely get lazy on this).
For about 36 hours after my workout I get my 1.8g of protein per kg of body weight.

Sometimes I would have a 2 day rest period and on the 2nd day, I would not load up on protein and carbs because I feel I won't use it.

You don't need to go low on protein and carbs. The important thing is a calorie surplus everyday (obviously not if you've taken a lot of days off the gym) with adequate protein to enable muscle growth. You can cycle carbs and fats if you like but I don't think you need that right now. You need to eat more to gain muscle.

Yer Aul One wrote: »

I thought the difference was that solids like steaks are harder to break down and spend longer in the gut, therefore giving the body more time to absorb.

Whereas, with the whey, it is a solution and easily passes through the gut.

TBH, this is just what I read. There is so much different "studies" out there that totally tell conflicting stories. But this particular one made sense to me (even if it was paid for by a protein co).

http://www.precisionnutrition.com/rr-whey-too-much

Um does that study not just say that amino acids are better for improving protein synthesis?

Muahahaha wrote: »

So I normally drink 50g of whey after a workout but I don't follow the dosing guidelines of 30g/250ml water, I make it to about 50g/860ml of water and drink it to aid hydration. Would I be better sticking to a dose of 50g/500ml water and then just drinking plain water if I need it? Or is the way I'm doing it still going to be okay to absorb the protein in the whey fully?

It doesn't make a difference.
The recommended water is mostly for taste/consistency. You could eat it dry in you wanted (or where able)

I'd be very surprised if they'd have a Best Before date that's less than a year away. Last one I got had BBE date that was 15 months after it arrived.

Blacktie. wrote: »

If using myprotein use code GROUPIE15 for 15% off.

Nice! Thanks!