Dublin Bus driver, "I'll run you over".

ThisRegard · 04-06-2014 08:37AM #1

Spotted this on broadsheet.ie this morning, not sure if it was posted here before, if it was, I missed it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwqRqIvo4GU

blobbie · 04-06-2014 08:41AM

Bye bye job and good enough for him

AstraMonti · 04-06-2014 08:45AM

Regardless of the bus driver, whytf do you keep going when you see the bus closing in on you? Just brake and let him do whatever the hell he wants to do.

ThisRegard · 04-06-2014 08:47AM

That's what I'd be doing, be it in a car or bike, slow down and let them on with it, probably a rush of blood to his head.

irish_goat · 04-06-2014 08:49AM

ThisRegard wrote: »

That's what I'd be doing, be it in a car or bike, slow down and let them on with it, probably a rush of blood to his head.

Looking at your man's other videos it seems like he is prepared to risk his life in order to tell drivers they are in the wrong (and get a good video).

cheerspal · 04-06-2014 08:52AM

The cyclist should have slowed down. The bus driver should not have veered in. Even if I was in that cycle lane I would never go on the inside of a moving bus. That is just asking for trouble

Amazing how many close shaves this cyclist has. I do about 200km a week and never have any issues like he does.

keith16 · 04-06-2014 08:52AM

AstraMonti wrote: »

Regardless of the bus driver, whytf do you keep going when you see the bus closing in on you? Just brake and let him do whatever the hell he wants to do.

Tend to agree with this. We all have to share the road, and that particular stretch is busy with all sorts of movements.

The cyclist was looking for trouble, and he might find it some day.

I say this as a cyclist myself.

KTRIC · 04-06-2014 08:54AM

From a motorcyclist to a cyclist, you lads have more balls than us !!

That sort of carry on is what put me off cycling.

Dan_Solo · 04-06-2014 08:56AM

Didn't sound like there was necessarily intent. More of a "I'll run you over by accident."
Still, it's crap driving with so many cyclists about, and I don't see how following the rules of the road is "asking for trouble".

cheerspal · 04-06-2014 08:57AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MjkKSclIXk&list=UUCHxxO6YKuaq-66Yrx9kfuA

Why is he cycling in the middle of the road?

MB Lacey · 04-06-2014 08:57AM

Shameful driving by the bus driver.
The cyclist is cycling along in the cycle lane, has a bus driver veer into him and yet the cyclist is to blame?!

He probably could have slowed down, but this stance of 'good enough for him' is kind of sickening.
He was just cycling along in the cycle lane.

I was in Vauxhall, London at the wknd and passed the spot where another cyclist was killed a few hours earlier that day.
I told my brother and his first reaction was 'Well, you should see some of the stunts cyclists pull'.
A fkn truck had just run over the cyclist and yet the blame within a millisecond was on the cyclist.

spyderski · 04-06-2014 08:58AM

The guy is looking for trouble, no point being "dead right". He should have braked when he saw the bus veering in on him; that said, the driver is typical Dublin Bus standard and in the wrong. If the driver had just apologised for his mistake, the cyclist would have come across as the tosser in this video.

Also, why does a cycling evangelist refer to a "mandatory cycle lane"?

drumswan · 04-06-2014 08:59AM

Guy is a crank

https://www.youtube.com/user/talk2liam/videos?shelf_id=1&view=0&sort=dd

mickdw · 04-06-2014 09:00AM

I think there were two of them in it.
The bus was clearly veering into the cycle Lane before the cyclist even got to the rear of the bus and for self preservation purposes it would have been wise hold back behind him for a couple of seconds.
Car drivers have to give way in similar circumstances daily and just because you are in the right doesn't give you right to create an accident.
I think the bus driver here initially was telling the cyclist that he would get knocked down if he continues cycling into closing wedges but foolishly got into a heated debate where he stupidly made a threat to the cyclist.

cheerspal · 04-06-2014 09:02AM

Maybe the bus was avoiding another cyclist overtaking him!?

We know how dangerous it is to cycle in any city. Why take risks going on the inside of a moving vehicle that weighs about 15 tonnes!

Maximus Alexander · 04-06-2014 09:05AM

Ugh, being in the right won't stop you dying. Cyclists are squishy, cycle defensively.

cython · 04-06-2014 09:05AM

Two people encountered each other on Dublin's North Quays when they both made a mistake. The one who put himself in the position to become a victim decides to take the opportunity to play the victim even further. Of course the bus driver should not have come into the lane, but going into that tight space along the inside of a bus on a stretch where they stop frequently is lunacy (speaking as someone who commutes into work using the same road). Unless the bus is stationary and I am filtering, I will only overtake them on the right.

Having said that, the driver's attitude left a lot to be desired, and he could have apologised for entering the lane while also explaining to the cyclist that what he did was silly/dangerous. Instead he came out with what could be construed as a threat (I'm not convinced it was, but that's not really relevant) and fanned the flames.

I also can't help but notice the irony of the "staying alive at 1.5" mantra the cyclist included, despite putting himself into a space on the inside of a bus which was barely that! Also, is mandatory in the context of cycle lanes still a valid term since cyclists are no longer obliged to use them? Or perhaps it still distinguishes those delineated by a solid line rather than dashed that other road users are mandated not to enter.

drumswan · 04-06-2014 09:05AM

cheerspal wrote: »

Why take risks going on the inside of a moving vehicle that weighs about 15 tonnes!

So he can add to his collection of outraged videos on youtube

Diarmuid · 04-06-2014 09:08AM

cheerspal wrote: »

Maybe the bus was avoiding another cyclist overtaking him!?

We know how dangerous it is to cycle in any city. Why take risks going on the inside of a moving vehicle that weighs about 15 tonnes!

At the start of the video you do see a cyclist overtaking the bus. Continuing to cycle up the inside of a bus as it's pulling in on top of you is real Darwin-award type behaviour

Del2005 · 04-06-2014 09:15AM

cheerspal wrote: »

Maybe the bus was avoiding another cyclist overtaking him!?

We know how dangerous it is to cycle in any city. Why take risks going on the inside of a moving vehicle that weighs about 15 tonnes!

That's what I thought. Right at the start of the video you can see a cyclist overtaking the bus on the outside, bus driver drifted left for that cyclist and the camera guy kept pedaling when he saw the bus encroaching on the cycle lane. Regardless of the rules of the road your better off stopping when it the right than ending up under a bus. The person making that video has bad road craft and the worst thing is that with the way that they cycle they will eventually become a statistic.

The irony is that at the end of the video he wants 1.5m clearance for overtaking yet cuts through stopped traffic at a bit of pace with barely a handle bar distance between the vehicles.

noodler · 04-06-2014 09:16AM

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Didn't sound like there was necessarily intent. More of a "I'll run you over by accident."
Still, it's crap driving with so many cyclists about, and I don't see how following the rules of the road is "asking for trouble".

This to be honest.

Think it was more of a warning than a threat.

eeeee · 04-06-2014 09:17AM

Yep Dublin Bus driver clearly in the wrong, he should not have pulled in across the cyclist.

However, there is no chance in hell I would continue up the inside of a bus veering into me. It has happened to me, i hang back, then have a word with the driver (if i catch up! I take a few secs to gather myself).

It all seems needlessly antagonistic. Why go up to the driver twice? He is not getting the response he wants so why keep going up and provoking it? Take the reg and report it.
I don't think the bus driver meant he was actively going to run the cyclist over, probably annoyed at the cyclist's behaviour although he was in the wrong.

Bus driver wrong and dangerous. Cyclist could have taken a safer way of dealing with it. There aren't 'mandatory' cycle lanes anymore. Going up to the driver twice? I know the blood is up but after the first exchange what kind of reaction did he think he was going to get? It's just so pointlessly antagonistic.

FortuneChip · 04-06-2014 09:18AM

"I'm a bus driver on my own. Stop harassing me"

d9oiu2wk07blr5 · 04-06-2014 09:19AM

The bus driver was in the wrong, but that cyclist really needs to take a hard look at his own behaviour which not only amounts to road rage but is outright dangerous cos he'll end up in a box with that sort of carry-on.

morana · 04-06-2014 09:21AM

"I'll run you over" is never right!

Disgraceful driving and a disgraceful representative of Dublin Bus!

spyderski · 04-06-2014 09:23AM

This might not be popular, but the best solution to this kind of problem is to get rid of bike lanes where they are unsuitable.

The bike lane in this instance encourages undertaking, when there is no room for error from either drivers or cyclists. In fairness to the bus driver, he also has feck all room to his right. If there was no bike lane, cyclists would have to overtake safely, same as all other traffic. As it is, the bus drivers are complaining about cyclists undertaking in the bike lane, while moaning when others DON'T use the bike lane.

Cycle lanes like this one only serve to create the impression in drivers heads that cyclists are not "traffic" but are rather some nuisance which reduces their already congested space.

manafana · 04-06-2014 09:26AM

to defend some, like anything there are bad and good bus drivers, I had great interaction with a bus driver on navan road other day who couldn't have been more careful and appreciated my awareness of his bus too.

end of day ride like anything could end up in your way and hopefully avoid incidents.

Oink · 04-06-2014 09:26AM

drumswan wrote: »

So he can add to his collection of outraged videos on youtube

Exactly. This looks very much like an idiot getting all righteous on another idiot.

You want to report him to the guards? Fine, you have a point. But what's the moaning and the youtubing about? Self-righteous twat.

DaithiMC · 04-06-2014 09:27AM

MB Lacey wrote: »

Shameful driving by the bus driver.
The cyclist is cycling along in the cycle lane, has a bus driver veer into him and yet the cyclist is to blame?!

He probably could have slowed down, but this stance of 'good enough for him' is kind of sickening.
He was just cycling along in the cycle lane.

I don't agree with this at all, nor do I share the view that any previous poster has taken a "good enough for him" attitude. At the start of the video the cyclist is BEHIND the bus, he's not simply "cycling along in the cycle lane" he is making a conscious decision to undertake a bus on a multi-lane road with no apparent assessment to the risk that anything in front or to the right of the bus driver could cause him to move left.

I regularly squirm at the sight of cyclists going up the inside of large vehicles having stopped myself behind them - I now have an involuntary reaction of shouting "Don't go up there" when I see it. Maybe I am overly cautious but, in my opinion, this is video evidence of bad cycling behaviour as much as you may think it is of bad driving in the bus driver's part.

sbsquarepants · 04-06-2014 09:34AM

mickdw wrote: »

I think the bus driver here initially was telling the cyclist that he would get knocked down if he continues cycling into closing wedges but foolishly got into a heated debate where he stupidly made a threat to the cyclist.

There was no threat, all the driver was saying is if you do stupid things like you just done then you will get run over, not I'm going to hunt you down and kill you. He was basically stating the obvious that if it comes down to collision, the cyclist is unlikely to come off best. The driver seemed ok to me, the cyclist a seemed a bit of an asshole, with a chip on his shoulder to be honest.

couerdelion · 04-06-2014 09:34AM

Why on earth would you undertake a bus on a stretch of the quays when it could be pulling in to let passengers board and alight. Whilst cycle lanes are there to provide safety and segregate cycle traffic from other road users they don't mean that you can cycle like a d1ck.

Dublin Bus driver, "I'll run you over".

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