[walshb]

Originally Posted by Syferus

'Irish' doesn't stop or end with republicans or people born in the Republic of Ireland.

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I agree fully.

But generally I would think that loyalists would consider themselves to be British.

There is a difference between being protestant/protestant-loyalist.

[Syferus]

Originally Posted by walshb

I agree fully.

But generally I would think that loyalists would consider themselves to be British.

There is a difference between being protestant/protestant-loyalist.

What I said was meant to apply to both - what exactly do loyalists have and want to pledge to the Crown? Ireland.

Now I'm sure there's some out there that consider themselves British and not anything else but they are a very small minority - there would be far less use of the Northern Ireland flag (the Ulster Banner in common parlance), which is a mixture of Irish symbolism and St. Georges' Cross, otherwise. Most Loyalists even when using the Union Jack also put out an Ulster flag, which is nothing if not a statement of Irishness.

[Big Ears]

Originally Posted by risteard7

bullsh1t my way out of what? everything i said is true. The man is british what part of that do you not understand?? the FACTS are

He was born in britain

Holds a british passport

British and commonwealth champion

Grew up in a loyalist area

protestant religion

If you want to support frampton thats fine but dont go on as if hes an irish fighter fighting under the tri-colour. if hes in a world title fight will they carry an irish flag to the ring NO.

Im leaving it at that

He was born in Belfast which is outside Britain, although is within the United Kingdom (under the Northern Ireland part of 'United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland).

People born in Northern Ireland are entitled to either Irish citizenship, British citizenship, or dual citizenship of Irish and British, so lets not work under the false pretence than everyone born in the North is British.

Holds a British passport ?, have you seen him state this ?, I mean sure he probably does, but I think the fact he hasn't come out and announced his Britishness is an indication Carl would like to remain apolitical.

grey up in a loyalist area ?- so did Wayne McCullough, anyone got a problem with Wayne because of this ?

Protestant religion- same as Wayne McCullough, anyone got a problem with Wayne because of this ?

Carl is not the British champion, that's Scott Quigg. Carl holds the Commonwealth title, and Northern Ireland is part of the Commonwealth, which was finely illustrated at the last Commonwealth games as Northern Irish boxers topped the medal table.

Amateur boxing in Ireland is like rugby and run on an all-Ireland basis. There is the same mentality in terms of supporting Ireland, and this carries on with these fighters as they turn pro. Frampton considers himself an Irish fighter, he's proud to represent the island of Ireland, just like Andrew Trimble or Stephen Ferris or any rugby player from the north. Of course to some people you can't be Irish if you won't go waving the tri-colour all over the place, shout your desire for a United Ireland, dismiss any link to Britain you may have, route for the opponent of the English football team, support Celtic, and declare the queen as the anti-christ.

Being Irish and British are not mutually exclusive, some of you may not like that, deal with it......Carl certainly can.

[Syferus]

Originally Posted by Big Ears

He was born in Belfast which is outside Britain, although is within the United Kingdom (under the Northern Ireland part of 'United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland).

People born in Northern Ireland are entitled to either Irish citizenship, British citizenship, or dual citizenship of Irish and British, so lets not work under the false pretence than everyone born in the North is British.

Holds a British passport ?, have you seen him state this ?, I mean sure he probably does, but I think the fact he hasn't come out and announced his Britishness is an indication Carl would like to remain apolitical.

grey up in a loyalist area ?- so did Wayne McCullough, anyone got a problem with Wayne because of this ?

Protestant religion- same as Wayne McCullough, anyone got a problem with Wayne because of this ?

Carl is not the British champion, that's Scott Quigg. Carl holds the Commonwealth title, and Northern Ireland is part of the Commonwealth, which was finely illustrated at the last Commonwealth games as Northern Irish boxers topped the medal table.

Amateur boxing in Ireland is like rugby and run on an all-Ireland basis. There is the same mentality in terms of supporting Ireland, and this carries on with these fighters as they turn pro. Frampton considers himself an Irish fighter, he's proud to represent the island of Ireland, just like Andrew Trimble or Stephen Ferris or any rugby player from the north. Of course to some people you can't be Irish if you won't go waving the tri-colour all over the place, shout your desire for a United Ireland, dismiss any link to Britain you may have, route for the opponent of the English football team, support Celtic, and declare the queen as the anti-racist.

Being Irish and British are not mutually exclusive, some of you may not like that, deal with it......Carl certainly can.

Feck, I was ok with this Queen one until I heard she was against racism!

[Big Ears]

Originally Posted by Syferus

Feck, I was ok with this Queen one until I heard she was against racism!

Haha, that's my firefox dictionary playing tricks on me.
I'd say if she was anti-racist she'd have awful arguments with her husband

[barney4001]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWpD6...feature=relmfu


nuff said

[murrman44]

risteard u ****!ng numpty. The last time u checked N.ireland is in great britain???

I think you will find on your passport that it is called the united kingdom of great britain AND N.ireland.

Cant be bothered reading complete tripe

facts are facts and all this crap

Originally Posted by risteard7

Our fighters? hes british
Carl frampton was born in northern ireland which last time i checked was in great britain.

carl is a protestant from a loyalist area. if you want to be deluded and think carl is representing the tri_colour fair enough
now i know this is a boxing forum and dont want to bring politics into it but i am merely stating facts and they are facts.

[murrman44]

Why do people come on sites like this spouting pure crap??

I dont give two fcuks if hes a protestant, il still support him

Must have count about 10 posts where these eejits think N.Ireland is in great britain and therefore we are british. britain consists of england scotland and wales and the last time i looked frampton was from belfast.

Stop hanging onto the past,

[Underground]

Unconfirmed but there's whispers going around that Kiko has pulled out of the fight.

Apparently Steve Molitor is to replace Martinez.

[barney4001]

it would not be a big surprise at all if he pulls out thats his form

[Syferus]

Hope that's not true, I was really looking forward to this fight, it has the potential to be one of the best fights of the year.

[Big Ears]

Originally Posted by Syferus

Hope that's not true, I was really looking forward to this fight, it has the potential to be one of the best fights of the year.

While a fight with Kiko is a mouth-watering prospect, I certainly wouldn't complain if Molitor was the replacement. I very good standard opponent and we'd probably see a more aggressive approach from Frampton, he'd have likely tried to outbox Kiko getting in and out, and okay he may do the same with Molitor, but he'll be much more focused on trying to hurt him and use his physical advantage at the same time.

I'm thinking of heading to this card and with the rest of the quality on the bill, Frampton vs Molitor as the main event would be enough to see me there.

[endswell]

mcguigan twitter: Barry McGuigan ‏@ClonesCyclone Steve Molitor is a great fighter with a super reputation, it's a tougher fight for Carl Frampton but the Belfast boxing fans deserve it !!

[Syferus]

Nice aboutface by Barry. Molitor is undoubtedly a great replacement to get but there's always a tinge of disappointment when someone switches your apple for an orange without asking.

[barney4001]

WHATS KIKOS EXCUSE THIS TIME