[Magill]

The fact is, most of the people here (N.I) don't pay an awful lot of attention to these incidents either.. for me its probably comparable to say the gang/drug problems in limerick/dublin of recent years, it happens, i hear about on the news, i cringe a little, thats the last i'll think of it. The reality is, MOST of the people here have moved on and outside of a few area's, life here is just as civil as anywhere else on this island.

The problem I have with North related threads is the amount of ignorant dung that is posted, usually from idiots who've probably never even been to the North, its infuriating. Most of these people paint the entire country with the same brush.

[Dannyboy83]

Originally Posted by Dr Galen

I think an awful lot of people with an interest in NI, kid themselves about how much others care about the situation or indeed anything to do with NI in general.

Very much agree.
I also find Irish people do this with Britain.

Britain occupies a position of high importance in Irish history and in the Irish mindset.
Many Irish people seem to believe it's the same in reverse...

[RubyRoss]

Riots during marching season is a ‘dog bites man’ story at this stage. The London riots were ‘man bites dog’ and earned huge coverage.

Also, I think many people in the South now see the trouble areas of the North as being just that – trouble areas no different to similar sections of the Republic’s cities.

I dip into Northern radio & TV sometimes and wonder how the public there do not revolt against the constant barrage of conflict related content. It makes me think fondly of LiveLine and people outraged by parking, ticket pricing and other such grievances of ordinary life.

These annual scuffles just hi-jack normal society – it is a good thing we do not pay more attention to them. One poster compared it to coverage of the Syrian conflict – these are TOTALLY different circumstances.

[junder]

Originally Posted by RubyRoss

Riots during marching season is a ‘dog bites man’ story at this stage. The London riots were ‘man bites dog’ and earned huge coverage.

Also, I think many people in the South now see the trouble areas of the North as being just that – trouble areas no different to similar sections of the Republic’s cities.

I dip into Northern radio & TV sometimes and wonder how the public there do not revolt against the constant barrage of conflict related content. It makes me think fondly of LiveLine and people outraged by parking, ticket pricing and other such grievances of ordinary life.

These annual scuffles just hi-jack normal society – it is a good thing we do not pay more attention to them. One poster compared it to coverage of the Syrian conflict – these are TOTALLY different circumstances.

Are these riots just random acts? Or are they symptoms of a larger problem. I remember in the euphoric post gfa days when people were saying that's it the troubles are over they will never darken northern Ireland again, now those same people are holding thier breath expecting the troubles to ignite any minute. As the provies said To thatcher after the Brighton bomb ' you have to be lucky all the time, we just have to be lucky once' same thing applys to the do called dissidents. Thier bombs have got larger and more sophisticated, so far we have been lucky in intercepting them, again they just have to be lucky with just one

[RubyRoss]

That's true but the dissidents are a tiny minority who attempt to hijack social and political life. To give them publicity is to give them undue legitimacy.
These are the only people who want to go backwards.

[thecommietommy]

Originally Posted by junder

To be honest that kind of sums up my experince of people in the republic, they just don't care about northern Ireland (speaking as a unionist that's not a bad thing) guess it comes down to understanding, while I can grasp the general flow of politics in the republic, because I don't live there I don't get the different nuances of political goings on in the republic, I Think that's the same in regards to northern Ireland, for people on the republic

I'm a bit doubtful by your OP and the post above, I have many relations in the six counties met innumerable people from there etc. Not trying to insult you, but it's a contradiction that unionists have to come on to .ie forums (boards.ie, politics.ie ) etc to discuss politics. Try and discuss NI with some English people You may as well be talking to a Swiss or Estonian person for all the ordinary English person cares !!!!!

And also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I interpret from your OP that your trying to say you personally openly discuss in the north about NI's politics in the pub after work, on the train, in college or whatever. Are you seriously going to tell me that you would openly raise a controversial topic in the presence of nationalists an issue like the trouble in Ardoyne and the orange march ?? ??

[Fr Tod Umptious]

Originally Posted by thecommietommy

I'm a bit doubtful by your OP and the post above, I have many relations in the six counties met innumerable people from there etc. Not trying to insult you, but it's a contradiction that unionists have to come on to .ie forums (boards.ie, politics.ie ) etc to discuss politics. Try and discuss NI with some English people You may as well be talking to a Swiss or Estonian person for all the ordinary English person cares !!!!!

And also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I interpret from your OP that your trying to say you personally openly discuss in the north about NI's politics in the pub after work, on the train, in college or whatever. Are you seriously going to tell me that you would openly raise a topic in the presence of nationalists from any side of the border issues like the orange order marching wherever it liked or claim that the unionist state or wasn't sectarian or whatever ?? ??

Oh For Fcuk Sake

I'm out

Good thread while it lasted

[thecommietommy]

Originally Posted by Fr Tod Umptious

Oh For Fcuk Sake

I'm out

Good thread while it lasted

Oooooops, I seem to have upset the cozy love in, back to let's ignore the elephant in the romm.

[Fr Tod Umptious]

Originally Posted by thecommietommy

Oooooops, I seem to have upset the cozy love in, back to let's ignore the elephant in the romm.

Well the elephant in the room is that even though they are not killing each other any more NI society is becoming more segregated.

Great piece in the Boston Globe from a few years back about the very thing
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/id...ace/?page=full

People in the South tend to just ignore NI as a result of the perception that everything is rosie, and possiblty due to being tired of the same old s**t when something does blow up (not literaly)

But what is the use in having an tried old "it's the Brits/OO/your fault.." type swipe at another poster that you know is of a certain persusaion when all we are discussing is if people are interested in NI or not ?

[maccored]

people in the south tend to ignore the north because many of them cant see how it relates to them. the fact its a big chunk of land on the top of the same small island people in the south live on, seems to bypass many. Personally I find that amazing ... but then again, not too surprising.

[thecommietommy]

Originally Posted by Fr Tod Umptious

Well the elephant in the room is that even though they are not killing each other any more NI society is becoming more segregated.

Great piece in the Boston Globe from a few years back about the very thing
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/id...ace/?page=full

People in the South tend to just ignore NI as a result of the perception that everything is rosie, and possiblty due to being tired of the same old s**t when something does blow up (not literaly)

But what is the use in having an tried old "it's the Brits/OO/your fault.." type swipe at another poster that you know is of a certain persusaion when all we are discussing is if people are interested in NI or not ?

Sorry I don't know why you have interpreted my post as blaming anyone, the gist of my post was asking the OP would he openly raise a controversial topic such as orange marches or the sectarianism of the past in the presence of nationalists.

And as for elephant's in the room - let's not mention the British army were murdering people also, let's pretend it was just "they" i.e. the unionists and nationalists, while little Tommies who joined up for 3 meals a day and some pocket money were helping old ladies across the road etc

[Fr Tod Umptious]

Originally Posted by thecommietommy

Sorry I don't know why you have interpreted my post as blaming anyone, the gist of my post was asking the OP would he openly raise a controversial topic such as orange marches or the sectarianism of the past in the presence of nationalists.

And as for elephant's in the room - let's not mention the British army were murdering people also, let's pretend it was just "they" i.e. the unionists and nationalists, while little Tommies who joined up for 3 meals a day and some pocket money were helping old ladies across the road etc

But again you are trying to drag this thread down the same old route that will result in a clusterF**k.

The thread title is 'Who cares About northern Ireland?', what does the actions of British army did during the troubles have to do with that ?

If you want to discuss who did what then why not open a thread about it ?

[thecommietommy]

Originally Posted by Fr Tod Umptious

But again you are trying to drag this thread down the same old route that will result in a clusterF**k.

The thread title is 'Who cares About northern Ireland?', what does the actions of British army did during the troubles have to do with that ?

Your the one who brought in the subject of "they" and killing and obviously ignored the British ones.

If you want to discuss who did what then why not open a thread about it ?

Ok I have changed the question to - are you seriously going to tell me that you would openly raise a controversial topic in the presence of nationalists an issue like the trouble in Ardoyne and the orange march ?? ??

[Fr Tod Umptious]

Originally Posted by thecommietommy

Your the one who brought in the subject of "they" and killing and obviously ignored the British ones.

Typical of the pedantry you find on NI threads here, someone jumping all over the precise terms people use in their posts in order to steer the conversation down a certain route.

Originally Posted by thecommietommy

Ok I have changed the question to - are you seriously going to tell me that you would openly raise a controversial topic in the presence of nationalists an issue like the trouble in Ardoyne and the orange march ?? ??

What's wrong with have that type of discussion ?

[K-9]

Originally Posted by thecommietommy

I'm a bit doubtful by your OP and the post above, I have many relations in the six counties met innumerable people from there etc. Not trying to insult you, but it's a contradiction that unionists have to come on to .ie forums (boards.ie, politics.ie ) etc to discuss politics. Try and discuss NI with some English people You may as well be talking to a Swiss or Estonian person for all the ordinary English person cares !!!!!

And also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I interpret from your OP that your trying to say you personally openly discuss in the north about NI's politics in the pub after work, on the train, in college or whatever. Are you seriously going to tell me that you would openly raise a controversial topic in the presence of nationalists an issue like the trouble in Ardoyne and the orange march ?? ??

I don't get that impression at all, more that when he does talk to people from the South N.I. politics doesn't come up much. I'm sure the OP will clarify.

Mod note
It would be nice to discuss the OP without going over the usual topics ad nauseam. Please stick to the topic in the OP without going over the usual "well they did this" lines, we all know where it leads.