Boards.ie

darkman2 · 13-07-2012, 23:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by mango salsa

It's really not relevant at all actually.

Well then his argument is over. It is relevant if he wants to talk about my period in school and observations. It becomes irrelevant if he was in school 20 years ago.

TheChizler · 13-07-2012, 23:14

I see the OP's point that it's something that will be seen as a reason to bully, but agree that it's just adding to a long, arbitrary list of reasons. However when full marriage rights do eventually come in I don't see what major difference there will be from a bully's perspective. The partner that had previously just been living with the child's parent and been called mum/dad has now just signed a piece of paper and is still called mum/dad. The situation already exists is what I'm saying.

And in future as gay legal-parents becomes more normal the effect of the bullying will die. In time I can't imagine kids will be any more upset than being called four-eyes or ginger, if they are even upset at all now. Bullies will always bully people who seem to differ from the majority, their need to bully stems from their own problems that they need to sort out and are not the concern of the state/society.

28064212 · 13-07-2012, 23:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkman2

Well then his argument is over. It is relevant if he wants to talk about my period in school and observations.

Fortunately, I don't. I don't care when you went to school. I don't care what happened in your particular school, among your particular set of pupils. You are the one who brought up a tiny, tiny subset of data and thought it was something to base your position on

**mango salsa** · 13-07-2012, 23:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkman2

Well then his argument is over. It is relevant if he wants to talk about my period in school and observations. It becomes irrelevant if he was in school 20 years ago.

You don't seem to understand that we are saying social policy decision making should be evidence based not based on anecdotes from your school.

darkman2 · 13-07-2012, 23:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by 28064212

Fortunately, I don't. I don't care when you went to school. I don't care what happened in your particular school, among your particular set of pupils. You are the one who brought up a tiny, tiny subset of data and thought it was something to base your position on

You were asking me about what happened in my school or referencing my experience. You have undermined any argument you might make from now on to me. You could be 60 years of age for all I know (and I don't care what age you are) so my impression is you won't give a round figure on when you left school on purpose because it might embarrass you a little bit. That's fine. That's your business.

**mango salsa** · 13-07-2012, 23:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkman2

You were asking me about what happened in my school or referencing my experience. You have undermined any argument you might make from now on to me. You could be 60 years of age for all I know (and I don't care what age you are) so my impression is you won't give a round figure on when you left school on purpose because it might embarrass you a little bit. That's fine. That's your business.

You're still not getting it.

Aurongroove · 13-07-2012, 23:23

Darkman why don't you address the issue that there are homosexual parents on this very thread reporting to you that their children aren't being bullied?

No one will take you seriously until you engage with this point i.e., that it is a fact that there are homosexual couples raising children who are at a school going age who's experiences contradict your prognosis.

darkman2 · 13-07-2012, 23:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by mango salsa

You're still not getting it.

lol - I think you are the ones that don't get it

He thought he could try and portray himself as the pulse of the secondary school student population and tell me i'm incorrect or somehow fabricating my experiences. Firstly who does that number think it is and secondly clearly it isn't that pulse!

darkman2 · 13-07-2012, 23:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aurongroove

Darkman why don't you address the issue that there are homosexual parents on this very thread

Sorry i'm a little tired. Who are they? I have to come back to this tomorrow and I will address them then.

Night all.

28064212 · 13-07-2012, 23:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkman2

You were asking me about what happened in my school or referencing my experience.

I never once asked you what happened in your school. You brought up your experiences. Because you think personal experiences matter, I asked if other people's experiences mattered. You are the one who cares about personal experiences.

If a personal experience is never mentioned again in the argument on this issue, I'd be delighted. I don't care if someone comes on and says "In my school, having gay parents is actually a plus. They're the only one's not getting bullied". It's an argument that is just as irrelevant as yours

darkman2 · 13-07-2012, 23:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by 28064212

I never once asked you what happened in your school. You brought up your experiences.

You were commenting on it trying to prove me wrong!!!....seriously like? Look, nite!

**mango salsa** · 13-07-2012, 23:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkman2

lol - I think you are the ones that don't get it

He thought he could try and portray himself as the pulse of the secondary school student population and tell me i'm incorrect or somehow fabricating my experiences. Firstly who does that number think it is and secondly clearly it isn't that pulse!

I've read through this thread and I've no idea what you are on about. All I can see is that you're not actually engaging with points made by any of us.

Aurongroove · 14-07-2012, 00:03

Here's the post that was written earlier on the thread, and for the records I know at least 2 other gay couples who have or have had children of a school going age, none of which have had an issues with the bullying.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gcgirl

I'm gay I have 3 kids they don't get any hassle what (so) ever or even comments I'm the cool mum that whips her sons friends at Call of Duty

Coeurdepirate · 14-07-2012, 00:04

Ah yes, deny quite a sizeable minority of people of equal rights and deny an orphan of a loving home to appease the bully.

iCosmopolis · 14-07-2012, 00:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkman2

Nobody is going to disagree with that. I am not saying kids should not be adopted by gay parents.

You said in your op "I do have concern regarding the prospect of adoptions though and here is why:
So say you are two gay people and you are married and you adopt a child - fair enough everything is ok so far.
From the age of 3 or 4 though as the child comes in to the school system then I do have a genuine concern for the well being of that child"

If you have no issue with kids being adopted by gay parents (your issue outlined was them being bullied) then what was your actual point? Sorry,I'm not trying to be awkward, genuinely wondering.

13-07-2012, 23:23	#52
Aurongroove Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 774 Adverts \| Friends	Darkman why don't you address the issue that there are homosexual parents on this very thread reporting to you that their children aren't being bullied? No one will take you seriously until you engage with this point i.e., that it is a fact that there are homosexual couples raising children who are at a school going age who's experiences contradict your prognosis. Last edited by Aurongroove; 13-07-2012 at 23:29.

13-07-2012, 23:14	#47
TheChizler Registered User Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Cork Posts: 999 Adverts \| Friends	I see the OP's point that it's something that will be seen as a reason to bully, but agree that it's just adding to a long, arbitrary list of reasons. However when full marriage rights do eventually come in I don't see what major difference there will be from a bully's perspective. The partner that had previously just been living with the child's parent and been called mum/dad has now just signed a piece of paper and is still called mum/dad. The situation already exists is what I'm saying. And in future as gay legal-parents becomes more normal the effect of the bullying will die. In time I can't imagine kids will be any more upset than being called four-eyes or ginger, if they are even upset at all now. Bullies will always bully people who seem to differ from the majority, their need to bully stems from their own problems that they need to sort out and are not the concern of the state/society.

14-07-2012, 00:04	#59
Coeurdepirate Registered User Join Date: May 2010 Location: Galway Posts: 2,502 Adverts \| Friends	Ah yes, deny quite a sizeable minority of people of equal rights and deny an orphan of a loving home to appease the bully.