[actin]

Originally Posted by vamos77

So are there many eu students wrongly not given intern allocations last monday? This is 1st ive heard of anyone, they should have been screaming thunder over last few days. I personally havent heard of anyone in my college.


This is disgraceful by HSE, we are supposed to start placements and have induction within a couple of weeks yet i can still be matched to absolutely any hospital in ireland. And im also one of people who sorted out accomodation. So whats the best way to complain just ring them up??

I've heard the number of EU students who were marked as non-EU is 16, although I don't have confirmation of this.

I'd make your complaint in writing. Perhaps ring up to find out who the appropriate person to make the complaint to is.

The biggest danger now is apathy; don't let the HSE think they can just push people around on this.

[vamos77]

Wow 16, still dont understand how they can tell already which individuals will keep the place they got without redoing the draw. Unless they got an attachment that nobody else picked. Didnt think there was that many places available...

[sillymoo]

Originally Posted by vamos77

Wow 16, still dont understand how they can tell already which individuals will keep the place they got without redoing the draw. Unless they got an attachment that nobody else picked. Didnt think there was that many places available...

The emails were sent out according to your centile ranking - if you were near the top you got the email saying your job would not be changed. Everyone else got the one saying your position may be changed.

[brumindub]

Originally Posted by foreverandever

I appreciate the HSE has messed up and it is really inconvenient, there's no doubting that. But they are just ensuring that the right people get the right jobs which is the fairest way. The reason they're saying no non-eu will be affected is the number of people involved about is probably less than the amount of non-eu who have the jobs. I think how they've handled It is disgraceful but I can understand why they have to do it

so does this mean that even though i'm an irish med school graduate from the EU, i may not have a job because no non-eu is going to be affected?

[actin]

Originally Posted by brumindub

so does this mean that even though i'm an irish med school graduate from the EU, i may not have a job because no non-eu is going to be affected?

Not exactly.

I've learned indirectly (and off the record) from the IMO that several UK students were offered jobs who should not have been, and that a similar situation occured with non-EU students.

It's hard to say whether they are removing people from the matching process, adding people, or both. The HSE need to clarify this today.

[kopci]

Originally Posted by foreverandever

The reason they're saying no non-eu will be affected is the number of people involved about is probably less than the amount of non-eu who have the jobs. I think how they've handled It is disgraceful but I can understand why they have to do it

foreverandever, would you mind clarifying.... Did you mean to say that no EU will be affected (rather than 'no non-eu')? It makes sense that no EU would be affected (ie no EU will be left without a job) because the newly added EU candidates will simply bump a few of the non-EUs who got posts.

But if you really did mean to say that no non-EU will be affected, then I'm not sure...

[foreverandever]

Opps sorry for that typo, I meant to say no EU will be affected, from what I can gather. Because there's more than 16 non-EUs in the system and they can't have a job above an EU person.

[sillymoo]

Originally Posted by foreverandever

Opps sorry for that typo, I meant to say no EU will be affected, from what I can gather. Because there's more than 16 non-EUs in the system and they can't have a job above an EU person.

I don't think this can be right though. What I one of the new added EU people have a higher centile ranking than other EU candidates - they will bump down EU candidates too.

[kopci]

Originally Posted by sillymoo

I don't think this can be right though. What I one of the new added EU people have a higher centile ranking than other EU candidates - they will bump down EU candidates too.

Yes - but I think what they mean by 'affected' is 'left without a job at all'. Obviously many EU will be 'affected' in that they will lose their current allocations and get new ones, but they will not be 'affected' so badly as to not get any posting at all. In contrast, a few non-EU at the bottom of the list will lose their current post and not get a new one to replace it. So they will REALLY be affected!

[opinion guy]

Originally Posted by actin

I agree that the communication and handling has been awful, but I wouldn't stop there.

Apart from releasing intern offers several days late, waiting another three days before rescinding them is totally unacceptable. I know of several people who have signed leases or paid deposits on the back of job offers; offers received in writing, accepted in writing and confirmed in writing.

Now some of these people are left in an ambiguous situation with no certainty as to whether the HSE will honor the offers that have been accepted and confirmed. They don't know whether they'll have the same hospitals or even work in the same county as the offer they were given. This is a pretty big deal for people who have entered into leases based on locations in their current offers.

The calculated, callous manner in which the communication yesterday evening was delivered is totally unacceptable. No name or contact number was provided. The timing of the email was no doubt intended to allow minimal reproach. The ambiguity and timescale suggested (i.e. early next week) adds to the uncertainty faced by many. The fact that the specific causes of this situation were not disclosed betrays any suggestion of transparency in the system.

Those who have made accommodation arrangements should make the HSE aware that if they are forced to change arrangements and incur an expense, they will be consulting solicitor to recoup costs from the HSE.

[actin]

Just to clarify the situation as I've heard:

a) A few people were registered as non-EU when in fact they were EU students; therefore, they need to be placed with the EU students in the rankings

b) A number of UK students were included in the rankings despite not having results yet; they need to be taken out of the rankings

c) Some non-EU students were included in the ranking when they should not have been included at all (for whatever reason, not clear on this)

Therefore, everyone is affected apart from people with very good percentiles or people who choose preferences that had little demand going for them.

[sillymoo]

How the media have not gotten their teeth into this I don't know. As someone said earlier - if this was the CAO it would be all over the news.

[robjones1981]

Originally Posted by sillymoo

How the media have not gotten their teeth into this I don't know. As someone said earlier - if this was the CAO it would be all over the news.

Probably because of those affected no one has brought it to the attention to the media?

[actin]

Originally Posted by robjones1981

Probably because of those affected no one has brought it to the attention to the media?

This is quite possible. I'd urge anyone with media connections to use them. There's a hashtag on Twitter at the moment, #interngate, for anyone who uses that service.

[brumindub]

Tue 19th by 5 then.