[4200fps]

I find it hard to believe all 3 foxs lost their heads completely to a .204. I'm using a 243 and it not doing that damage with v-max. The anti shooters will love these images. Looks something like a .270 or .308 done that damage in all fairness. Thats my opinion

[kildare.17hmr]

Originally Posted by 4200fps

I find it hard to believe all 3 foxs lost their heads completely to a .204. I'm using a 243 and it not doing that damage with v-max. The anti shooters will love these images. Looks something like a .270 or .308 done that damage in all fairness. Thats my opinion

The difference is lad that the small 204 round dispences its energy very quickly and pretty much explodes on impact of something solid like a skull. Your 243 carries its energy alot further through so does not leave as much of a mess

[4200fps]

Originally Posted by kildare.17hmr

The difference is lad that the small 204 round dispences its energy very quickly and pretty much explodes on impact of something solid like a skull. Your 243 carries its energy alot further through so does not leave as much of a mess

58 grain v-max for the 243 is aprox 3800fps and the 50 grain for the .220 swift is nearly 4000fps and never seen this sort of damage done to a fox but i did with a 308. still dont believe it,no image of 204 beside them either. 204 carrys a low grain bullet so there be little of the round to dispurse. If i used a 95 grain superformance id have way more damage and energy and less fps

[kildare.17hmr]

The reason it does so much damage is exactly the reason your saying it doesnt, because its so small and travelling so fast. A lad on the other board who shoots with 243 also said the most damage he ever seen done to a fox came from a 40gr vmax 223 and that las has been shootin foxes since before you or me were born! I understand why you might not believe it but iv seen the power of the small round first hand so have no reason to doubt styerman, infact i wouldnt expect anything less from it

[garv123]

Originally Posted by 4200fps

58 grain v-max for the 243 is aprox 3800fps and the 50 grain for the .220 swift is nearly 4000fps and never seen this sort of damage done to a fox but i did with a 308. still dont believe it,no image of 204 beside them either. 204 carrys a low grain bullet so there be little of the round to dispurse. If i used a 95 grain superformance id have way more damage and energy and less fps

Its cubs skull, the larger rounds would pass trough with out transferring most of their energy.

[Deise Musashi]

I've done similar with a .220 Swift, and years ago in UK with handloaded light foxing rounds in a .22-250.

High speed, and bullet heads designed to be very frangible, transmit huge energy on impact.

The same light round in .22-250 was accidentally used (by me) to take a head on shot on a young doe, that someone had shot the jaw off of.

The doe was facing me at about 100 yards, the round struck between and just above the eyes. I thought I had a standard round in and was going for a high neck shot, the lighter round struck a little high.
The doe dropped to the shot and once we got over to her (shot across a deep river gully) we could see the damage. A section of skull at the front had been blown out and the brain had mostly sucked out the hole, still intact and attached but laying on the muzzle of the deer.
No exit and very little in way of penetration, but a very dead deer.

The rounds for foxing were in a leather carrier, and the lad who's gun it was, hadn't realised they weren't the same round as he always used for culling Muntjac. Luckily it was enough with a head shot, but a torso hit would probably have only further wounded the same animal (young fallow doe).

I've never shot with a .204, but would be happy with that kind of performance for foxing. I'll stick with my .220Swift for now, the ammo is a killer but I don't shoot hundreds of rounds with it.

Practice with my CZ 452 is plenty cheap

[4200fps]

Its hard to imagine all the same for such a small round so the less grain you have and more fps you will loose an entire head down to the shoulders It maybe true but i'll have to see it done in reality before i'd believe it. But in all fairness not great images for the anti's where some find the smallest thing disturbing.

[German pointer]

Originally Posted by 4200fps

I find it hard to believe all 3 foxs lost their heads completely to a .204. I'm using a 243 and it not doing that damage with v-max. The anti shooters will love these images. Looks something like a .270 or .308 done that damage in all fairness. Thats my opinion

I am not saying the other lads are wrong far from it. But the first thing I got with the .270 was a fox and he had damage just like these ones. 130gr SST at 30 yards. More then 1 round from different riflesand calibers will do damage that looks the same in photos

[kildare.17hmr]

Originally Posted by 4200fps

Its hard to imagine all the same for such a small round so the less grain you have and more fps you will loose an entire head down to the shoulders It maybe true but i'll have to see it done in reality before i'd believe it. But in all fairness not great images for the anti's where some find the smallest thing disturbing.

Antis will moan at anything and have been known to cause harm and suffering to animals in order to push their agenda. Couldnt care what they think or what they say because most people know they are full if **** crazys

[steyrman2]

Originally Posted by 4200fps

I find it hard to believe all 3 foxs lost their heads completely to a .204. I'm using a 243 and it not doing that damage with v-max. The anti shooters will love these images. Looks something like a .270 or .308 done that damage in all fairness. Thats my opinion

Thank you for your opinion all foxes were shot with a 32 grain vmax factory ammo doing 4200 fps from my .204 i do not have a .270 or .308 but i do have a .300 wm i have shot foxes with .308 and did a lot more damage if you look back at my post there should be a few pics of them but your more than welcome to come out with me to see it in action

[steyrman2]

Originally Posted by 4200fps

Its hard to imagine all the same for such a small round so the less grain you have and more fps you will loose an entire head down to the shoulders It maybe true but i'll have to see it done in reality before i'd believe it. But in all fairness not great images for the anti's where some find the smallest thing disturbing.

hi 4200 fps i can tell you what i found out about the .204 and what made me change to it better bc in lighter bullets good fps the 32 grain vmax are like hand grenades going off tbh no one is more suprised as me . I am shooting a long time i have had the hornets, 17 centre fire , swift, .22-250 ,for foxing this year im looking forward to the .204 thats why im getting a semi custom one built
As for the anti the dont bother me i hunt shoot and fish all my life i put the pics up because the camera dont lie

[4200fps]

the camera might not lie but i could shoot a fox with a 243 take the picture and say i shot them with a hornet thats the point i'm making. By the way your shooting is very good and i hunt and fish alot too. I'd love to shoot a .204 to see this as my swift didn't do that damage and they are well known to do major damage but the 243 does that bit more damage!

[moby30]

Great shooting there steyrman. I always enjoy reading all the stories and looking at the photos it's just a pity that some lads have nothing better to do than try to contradict and and pass smart remarks about some of them. Puts others off posting their own photos and stories.

[steyrman2]

Originally Posted by 4200fps

the camera might not lie but i could shoot a fox with a 243 take the picture and say i shot them with a hornet thats the point i'm making. By the way your shooting is very good and i hunt and fish alot too. I'd love to shoot a .204 to see this as my swift didn't do that damage and they are well known to do major damage but the 243 does that bit more damage!

This is possible 4200 if you had calibres i use .204 and 300 winmag i think if i shot them with the bigger gun there would be nothing left of them i have used the swift for a few years and did as much if not more damage but thats what makes forums good every one has different views

[bazza888]

personally i think people on here complaining about the pictures other people put up and acussing them of lying does more damage to hunters