[Zillah]

Originally Posted by Brown Bomber

The other link is from disinformationist (?) Jeff Rense who believes in space aliens and bigfoot.

Space aliens are so much more likely to exist than Allah.

[dlofnep]

Originally Posted by Zillah

Uhm, he conceded that if the accusations are true then he condemns them. That's a win. Now you're bickering about how much stock one can put in journalism. This is literally the best result anyone has ever gotten from BB. Stop now.

You'll have to forgive my lack of faith in the sincerity of his post. While everyone else was shocked at the mere thought of children being blocked from leaving - it took him a number of posts to even acknowledge that it was wrong.

So if that's the best we can get from BB - there is something seriously messed up.

[Brown Bomber]

Originally Posted by dlofnep

You'll have to forgive my lack of faith in the sincerity of his post. While everyone else was shocked at the mere thought of children being blocked from leaving - it took him a number of posts to even acknowledge that it was wrong.

So if that's the best we can get from BB - there is something seriously messed up.

This is a really strange perspective. You believe that everybody should be uniformly "shocked" at the "mere thought" alone of something before this something has been established and that there is "something really messed up" for someone to reserve judgement before making condemnations. Bizarre.

[Brown Bomber]

Originally Posted by Rev Hellfire

Hee I got a good laugh from that one, imagine believing in things which don't exist...

I don't understand the point you are trying to make...

[sponsoredwalk]

Originally Posted by dlofnep

You'll have to forgive my lack of faith in the sincerity of his post. While everyone else was shocked at the mere thought of children being blocked from leaving - it took him a number of posts to even acknowledge that it was wrong.

So if that's the best we can get from BB - there is something seriously messed up.

Wow...

[Brown Bomber]

Originally Posted by Dades

BB, if I may, the above would have been a better first post of yours in this thread. It's a far better defence than the interpretation of the wording which you started with.

So we're all agreed. If there's even an element of truth in this it's a despicable thing. Whether there is or not is now up for debate.

Perhaps. My first post was an attempt to establish if there was any corroborating evidence, a primary source or even a secondary article that even claims that "15 girls died because of this".

Also, I raised the issue of the innacurate labelling of the news item as "recently in the news" when in fact it was in fact over a decade old. I did a little search and the only media it was in "recently" was in the online Islamophobic hatemongers blogs and far-right and white supremacist forums.

If we turned this on it's head and the BBC published an article with Saudi media as the source claiming "Polls show Saudi women most happy and liberated in the world due to Islam" do you think the OP would link to it as a "truth"?

Do you think that there would be posters here quoting that article exclaiming "I ****ing love Religion!" (with multiple thankers)?

Of course this wouldn't happen. People would (rightly imo) counter the claims of the Saudi media in more-or-less the same ways I have here.

[dlofnep]

Originally Posted by Brown Bomber

This is a really strange perspective. You believe that everybody should be uniformly "shocked" at the "mere thought" alone of something before this something has been established and that there is "something really messed up" for someone to reserve judgement before making condemnations. Bizarre.

Not really, because I can see behind the bull****. You immediately went into defensive mode at the thought that a police force of Islamic persuasion could be criticised. I have no problem with addressing the finer details of the article as a matter of discussion - which is all perfectly valid. I was concerned with the manner at which the police dealt with the situation. Even if no girls died as a result of the fire, it is still wholly irresponsible to stop a girl from leaving a burning building, because of her dress-wear.

So yes - It would have been a sincere gesture to at least express disgust that religious police would interfere in this matter, irrespective of the death toll because of it.

Relating to the original video - the thought that a religious police force could dictate the free movement of a women is highly disgusting, and I'm offended that such fascism still exists in 2012. Are we in agreement?

[Banbh]

You get my vote.

We are going to see a lot more of this kind of thing when the Taliban return to power in Afghanistan. There was a report last week where Islamists poisoned the water at a girls' school making many of them sick. Al Jazeera said this was not an isolated incident.

The very least we can do is express our disgust at this savagery.

[MrPudding]

Originally Posted by Brown Bomber

If we turned this on it's head and the BBC published an article with Saudi media as the source claiming "Polls show Saudi women most happy and liberated in the world due to Islam" do you think the OP would link to it as a "truth"?

Of course not. You would have to be a complete idiot to believe that story could be remotely true.

Originally Posted by Brown Bomber

Do you think that there would be posters here quoting that article exclaiming "I ****ing love Religion!" (with multiple thankers)?

Of course not, because it is so obviously untrue. Whereas, a hardcore Islamic police force interfering with the free movement of women is quite believable.

MrP

[Brown Bomber]

Originally Posted by MrPudding

Of course not. You would have to be a complete idiot to believe that story could be remotely true.

Of course not, because it is so obviously untrue. Whereas, a hardcore Islamic police force interfering with the free movement of women is quite believable.

MrP

So the condemnation is faith-based. Not very rational but humourosly ironic.

[Brown Bomber]

Originally Posted by dlofnep

Not really, because I can see behind the bull****.

To be fair it was me who saw behind the bull****. Namely your claim that your link showed that 15 schoolgirls died because religious police prevented them from leaving a burning building when your own link claimed that most died when a stairs collapsed.

Originally Posted by dlofnep

You immediately went into defensive mode at the thought that a police force of Islamic persuasion could be criticised.

No. I highlighted the falseness of your claim. I find the very idea of a religous police abhorrent.

Originally Posted by dlofnep

I have no problem with addressing the finer details of the article as a matter of discussion - which is all perfectly valid. I was concerned with the manner at which the police dealt with the situation. Even if no girls died as a result of the fire, it is still wholly irresponsible to stop a girl from leaving a burning building, because of her dress-wear.

I agree 100%. However, we still haven't established if that was the case and we shouldn't make knee-jerk reactions to condemn no matter how eager we are to condemn.

[MagicMarker]

I didn't realise Islamic subjugation of women was "faith based".

If there was an article written that stated the sun will rise tomorrow, and a 2nd was written stating the opposite, is my belief in the 1st and disbelief in the second "faith based"?

[Brown Bomber]

Originally Posted by MagicMarker

I didn't realise Islamic subjugation of women was "faith based".

If there was an article written that stated the sun will rise tomorrow, and a 2nd was written stating the opposite, is my belief in the 1st and disbelief in the second "faith based"?

What I am saying is that conclusions should be evidence based and "belief" or faith or whichever way you want to package it should not come into it. I can't believe I am having this discussion with an atheist.

[robindch]

Originally Posted by Brown Bomber

What I am saying is that conclusions should be evidence based and "belief" or faith or whichever way you want to package it should not come into it. I can't believe I am having this discussion with an atheist.

But you are having this discussion with an atheist, dear child! Do you not trust the evidence of your own eyes and fingers?

[whatdoicare]

So, did this story with the 15 girls happen or what?
Any news on what happened the kick ass girl at the mall?