[SnowDrifts]

Originally Posted by vectra

Huhh??

Looks to me as if Rosberg runs circle around him..

And when you think members here called me a Kimi "Fanboy"
You only need to look around here and you will see the forum is littered with Schumi Fanboys

Have we been watching the same F1 season? I think you will find if you look back on the year so far that Michael has had horrendous luck and that the points are in no way reflective of their respective performances.

Not that that matters to you because you will most likely come back with "the points tell the full story fanboy" bullsh#t.

[Ares]

Originally Posted by LIGHTNING

He hasn't been comprehensively beaten by his team mate and as 7 time WC you would expect him to get the number 1 in a team.

Rosberg has been the better driver by far this season and has been better the two previous seasons too.

Nico has championship winning ability. Why should Mercedes give Schumacher total preference when he's not able to get parity with his team mate?

[LIGHTNING]

Originally Posted by Ares

Rosberg has been the better driver by far this season and has been better the two previous seasons too.

Nico has championship winning ability. Why should Mercedes give Schumacher total preference when he's not able to get parity with his team mate?

Nico has won one race so far, people have been saying he is a future WC for a long time. Generally speaking Nico goes backwards in races, I couldn't be bothered looking at the last two seasons results to see where he starts a race and where he finishes.

[Ares]

Originally Posted by LIGHTNING

Nico has won one race so far, people have been saying he is a future WC for a long time. Generally speaking Nico goes backwards in races, I couldn't be bothered looking at the last two seasons results to see where he starts a race and where he finishes.

Generally if he goes backwards he loses a place maybe two usually. I think its a case that he's an exceptional qualifier and loses that in the race when more care is needed.

He was faster than Webber on Sunday and at any other track he would have won.

[antomorro-sei]

Have to say, I hate the word "fanboy"

[Discodog]

Originally Posted by LIGHTNING

Nico has won one race so far, people have been saying he is a future WC for a long time. Generally speaking Nico goes backwards in races, I couldn't be bothered looking at the last two seasons results to see where he starts a race and where he finishes.

Since 2010

Rosberg 290 points Schumi 150

That is a long enough time period to even out all the "luck". Any other driver would of been at risk of losing his drive. And bear in mind that we are comparing a 7 time World Champion with a relative rookie.

I even wonder how many of Mercedes problems arise because Schumi has too much influence. He was a great driver but I haven't noticed the likes of Kimi taking so long to re-adapt.

[vectra]

Originally Posted by LIGHTNING

Nico has won one race so far, people have been saying he is a future WC for a long time. Generally speaking Nico goes backwards in races, I couldn't be bothered looking at the last two seasons results to see where he starts a race and where he finishes.

95% of the time in front of Schumacher.
Stilll for the life of me cannot understand how people can say Rosberg has not outdriven Schmuacher over the past 2 and a bit seasons.

[Stuck Cone]

Watching Monaco for the 6th time courtesy of insomnia and the BBC Red Button

[Buttonftw]

Well if there's anything that should get you to sleep...

[LIGHTNING]

Originally Posted by Discodog

Since 2010

Rosberg 290 points Schumi 150

That is a long enough time period to even out all the "luck". Any other driver would of been at risk of losing his drive. And bear in mind that we are comparing a 7 time World Champion with a relative rookie.

I even wonder how many of Mercedes problems arise because Schumi has too much influence. He was a great driver but I haven't noticed the likes of Kimi taking so long to re-adapt.

Well points only tell half the story. Lets look at it another way, Massa is getting destroyed by his team mate and in my view shouldn't be in F1 yet he has more points than Schumacher.

[vectra]

Originally Posted by LIGHTNING

Well points only tell half the story. Lets look at it another way, Massa is getting destroyed by his team mate and in my view shouldn't be in F1 yet he has more points than Schumacher.

So what you are saying it that Schumacher is lucky Alonso is not his team mate or he would be totally ridiculed

[Ares]

Originally Posted by LIGHTNING

Well points only tell half the story. Lets look at it another way, Massa is getting destroyed by his team mate and in my view shouldn't be in F1 yet he has more points than Schumacher.

What does that prove? If Alonso were Schumacher's team mate he would be obliterated?

Maldondado has more wins this season than Lewis Hamilton. Using your warped logic then surely the Pastor is better than Lewis seen as points only tell half of the story.

Massa/Alonso have been driving a different machinenery to Rosberg/Schumacher.

Alonso has destroyed Massa and Rosberg has destroyed Schumacher over the last three years.

Thus Alonso is superior to Massa and Rosberg is superior to Schumacher.

[The_Joker]

I wonder if Schumacher was back with Ferrari and the car was running as good as Alonsos how far up the points board would he be? (If he could hold his temper that is)

Any guesses on what the starting grid for Canada will look like?

[frostie500]

Its probably important to remember the role that Mercedes hired for. They didnt hire him to be a world champion and contender for ten years-that is why they hired Rosberg.

They hired Schumacher to teach Rosberg how to be a champion and to help lead the team and show them what it takes to be a winner. I think a lot of people want Schumacher to be successful but at his age it is all but impossible to be as competitive as guys half his age. What he has done this year though has been impressive and he looks much more competitive.

In relation to the comparison to Kimi I dont think there's a lot of valid comparisons that can be made. When Kimi retired his Ferrari had slick tyres, the same aero regulations (by and large) and KERS. He had only spent two years away and was still competing at the highest level.

Schuamcher on the other hand left with groove tyres, no KERS and many different regulations. He spent his time wobbling around on a motorbike at track days in the German championship so he effectively was away from racing for three years.

Age diminishes everyone and while Schumi is not the same driver as he once was he has shown this year that he is still one of the best 10 drivers in the world and therefore very deserving of his place on the grid

[the culture of deference]

Originally Posted by Discodog

I don't get the Schumi love. He has made a lot of errors & been comprehensively beaten by his team mate despite clearly being the "number one" driver & having a huge influence on the team.

Originally Posted by LIGHTNING

He hasn't been comprehensively beaten by his team mate and as 7 time WC you would expect him to get the number 1 in a team.

Originally Posted by SnowDrifts

Have we been watching the same F1 season? I think you will find if you look back on the year so far that Michael has had horrendous luck and that the points are in no way reflective of their respective performances.

Not that that matters to you because you will most likely come back with "the points tell the full story fanboy" bullsh#t.

Ok lets put the argument to bed


AUS: Qualy 4th, Race DNF. Reason: Gearbox failure WAS in 3rd place

MAL: Qualy 3rd, Race 10th, Reason: Spun by Grosjean Was in 3rd place

CHI: Qualy 2nd, Race DNF, Reason: Not fitted tire Was 2nd

BAH: Qualy 23, Race 10th, Reason: Faulty DRS, gearbox change penalty

SPA: Qualy 8th, Race DNF, Reason: No Q3 time, Hit Senna Racing accident

AT LEAST 75% SENNA to blame A STUPID PENALTY

MON: Qualy: Pole, race DNF, Reason: Grid penalty, hit by Grosjean, FUEL failure


Please estimate how many points he has lost this season






He should not have had a penalty from spain, that was senna's fault. But I am glad he did. Otherwise he would have been leading the race with 15 laps to go.