[PopeBuckfastXVI]

Originally Posted by Ozymandius2011

Not really. The Charter's provisions only apply to EU law - not national law. So EU law can't discriminate but national law may be a different matter.

And national implementations of EU law, don't forget.

The point is the claim that Lisbon is 'good for gays' is not equivalent to the claim that Lisbon is bringing in a lower minimum wage, question mark or not, so it's not fair to hold it up as an example of disingenuous argument, because forbidding discrimination based on sexual orientation, in any context, is good for gays. We can argue on exactly how good, but then the leaflet doesn't specify how good itself, so that particular argument would be superfluous to the point being made.

[later12]

Originally Posted by oscarBravo

Didn't Lisbon make environmental policy a core competence of the union?

Almost all the slogans, even the more outlandish ones, were based on something in the Lisbon Treaty. Lisbon was more of a re-emphasis of existing environmental policy than anything else, but I acknowledge there were some new developments allowed for in Lisbon, specifically in terms of climate change, and therefore I shouldn't have included it.

[aspie mum]

The problem with politics is a lot of people dont understand what they vote for esp in a European election...you vote for a candiate and a list of recplacements who are listed in the nomination
so when the ULA did a swap it was to the next elegible person on the list people voted for,
same with labour and
the same is hapening in the north now with Martina Anderson talking from De Bruin.....

All on lists voted for by people who dont bother to ask what they are voting for

[C14N]

Originally Posted by meglome

I passed a very large one on the corner of Stephen's green saying 'Democracy is dead' etc etc with a picture of Merkel standing like Hitler.

Democracy isn't dead, just being cheapened and vandalized by stuff like this.

Originally Posted by later12

Tell us how Lisbon was Good for Gays then?

Not saying it made much of a difference for gays, but it looks like that poster came from an LGBT group. Perhaps they believed the posters that said it would legalise gay marriage? Or maybe that was a poster from Cóir that was supposed to be anti-Lisbon?

[stefanovich]

During the last elections I first saw Sinn Fein and Socialist Party posters up on the Ennis Road in Limerick. The next morning there was Fine Gael and Fianna Fail posters. A large number of the Sinn Fein and Socialist posters had the ties snipped so they were hanging upside down or facing the wrong way.

[crusher000]

What your forgetting is that there are people being paid to put up the posters for both sides. They're paid by the amount of posters they put up. If they come to a pole and there's no room snip snip and up goes the poster they have and they get paid. It's not vabalism it's captilism that's driving this.

[stefanovich]

Originally Posted by crusher000

What your forgetting is that there are people being paid to put up the posters for both sides. They're paid by the amount of posters they put up. If they come to a pole and there's no room snip snip and up goes the poster they have and they get paid. It's not vabalism it's captilism that's driving this.

That makes sense alright but from what I saw it didn't seem to be the motivation in this case. The top ties were cut so they were hanging upside-down or turned so they were facing away from the road.

Posters should be banned altogether. It is pure advertising and encourages uninformed voting or voting based on peoples looks, slogans or because a candidate looks familiar.

[goat2]

i think there should not be posters put up, it is not going to sway anyone one way or the other, they should save our money by scrapping these posters

[kippy]

I said this before the last Lisbon vote.

This whole "more jobs" claim that was being made at the time was always going to be a tough one to link with a yes vote.
And the no side now are saying that claim was false and widely false, however had we voted no, who knows whether we would have had the same level of job creation/unemployment as we have now? It could be worse??

[C14N]

Originally Posted by stefanovich

Posters should be banned altogether. It is pure advertising and encourages uninformed voting or voting based on peoples looks, slogans or because a candidate looks familiar.

Couldn't agree more. Not to mention the visual eyesore that they are, the cost that could have gone to something worthwhile and the damage to the environment of posters that will inevitably end up just lying around afterward.

[Agent Smith]

Mysteriously, Posters that I myself put up have Not only blown down, But the wind also took down the cable ties! Then another gust of wind put up some no posters!


pesky wind!

[Robbo]

There's a load of yes ones were taken by poor quality cable ties snapping in the wind this week. Luckily the second wave of ULA ones (Jaws, the hurls etc) were erected using far superior cable ties on the same poles this week. That wind even managed to wedge a Labour one in tight against an ESB cabinet on Dominick St.

[telecaster]

I think there should be a ban on political posters unless they are on the designated advertising areas that everyone else who wants to advertise something pays for the useage of, such as bus stops etc.

I struggle to see what purpose it serves to have 3 'Vote YES' posters on one lampost and then 3 'Vote NO' posters on the next. They cancel each other out do they not? They also make the place look awful for the duration of the campaign. A waste of money and a waste of paper/toughened cardboard/flexiboard and print too.

Does anyone's vote change because they saw the word YES more often than NO? It's idiot stuff.

Can we have a referrendum on banning these useless eyesores?

[PopeBuckfastXVI]

Originally Posted by telecaster

Can we have a referrendum on banning these useless eyesores?

I'd bloody hate to see the posters that'd go up for that one!

[telecaster]

Originally Posted by PopeBuckfastXVI

I'd bloody hate to see the posters that'd go up for that one!

A rather one-sided campaign I expect