[Davidth88]

Originally Posted by Kenny2012

M-CICO FA50EX City Air Services dep at 17.20

Ken

Thanks . I saw the Falcon as I drove past at 3:30ish . Always one of my fav aircraft.

[xflyer]

Originally Posted by DannyD

Nice photo. Does Padraig own this? I looked up the registration and it's registered to SIMS STUART P, WALNUT CREEK, CA.

You have to be an American citizen or resident alien to officially own an FAA registered aircraft. There are companies which facilitate this arrangement. They officially own the aircraft but the beneficial owner can be anyone.

It's entirely possible that Harrington doesn't own it at all. It may be leased or some other arrangement.

[Quebec Delta Mike]

Well, here we go again, today's (June 2nd issue) Liffey Champion, Page4, has TD Catherine Murphy off on her personal vote catching crusade against Weston again....

Whether there's any truth in the headline, "Weston Airport is sold, but new owners still unidentified", is debatable, but her attitude is apalling. Instead of welcoming new investment, and hopefully new jobs, she is siding with the complainers and whingers, the same old same old....

Before any new owners take over, she is setting out her stall, along with I am sure the "Everything about Weston is bad" brigade, who will pop up soon enough...

There is no unauthorised use of any runway taking place, ask the IAA, Ms Murphy, they oversee it's licence, and should know. There are very strict noise abatement measures in place, and used by all aircraft. The locals reporting "extreme levels of noise pollution" should not whinge to her, but report it to the IAA. What do they expect living next to an airport?

Get off your personal high horse, and get this country working again, it is after all what you are supposed to be elected for.

QDM.

[LeftBase]

Originally Posted by Quebec Delta Mike

Well, here we go again, today's (June 2nd issue) Liffey Champion, Page4, has TD Catherine Murphy off on her personal vote catching crusade against Weston again....

Whether there's any truth in the headline, "Weston Airport is sold, but new owners still unidentified", is debatable, but her attitude is apalling. Instead of welcoming new investment, and hopefully new jobs, she is siding with the complainers and whingers, the same old same old....

Before any new owners take over, she is setting out her stall, along with I am sure the "Everything about Weston is bad" brigade, who will pop up soon enough...

There is no unauthorised use of any runway taking place, ask the IAA, Ms Murphy, they oversee it's licence, and should know. There are very strict noise abatement measures in place, and used by all aircraft. The locals reporting "extreme levels of noise pollution" should not whinge to her, but report it to the IAA. What do they expect living next to an airport?

Get off your personal high horse, and get this country working again, it is after all what you are supposed to be elected for.

QDM.

Yet another top class watershed story from everyone's favorite broadsheet: The Liffey Champion!!

When I flew a circuit of EIAB in my PPL training I was actually quite uneasy at not having to make a 300' right turn and then a turn left and a loop over and around and then a barrel roll to land backwards!

[Xpro]

She could do with a few emails and help her get off her high horse
catherine.murphy@oireachtas.ie

[LeftBase]

Originally Posted by Xpro

She could do with a few emails and help her get off her high horse
catherine.murphy@oireachtas.ie

Does she quote in any of her material anybody who actually knows aviation? Do CAWA quote anyone who knows anything? Or do they just make stuff up and guess what the law is or what they think it should be?

Some tosh for you here : Children 'in fear' of low-flying planes


RESIDENTS living near a small aerodrome were given leave by the High Court yesterday to serve notice on a flying school to prevent dangerous over-flights.

Ms Justice Mary Laffoy told Mr Brendan Kilty SC, for Combined Action on Weston Airport Ltd in Lucan, Co Dublin, that the court was giving leave for the organisation to serve notice of the proposed injunction on two defendants, National Flight Centre Ltd and head of training and aircraft owner Kieran O'Connor.

The residents' group is also seeking an injunction restraining the defendants from trespassing on their property at Weston Park, Hillcrest, Kew Park, Cooldrinagh, Cooneyboro.

In an affidavit, Hugh Collendar said the object was to take action to prevent aircraft from posing a danger to the life and property of over 4,000 residents.

Mr Collendar added that for some time individual residents had complained about dangerous flights as low as 100ft and 150ft, causing fear, upset and stress. The complaints had been met with platitudes.

Between 12.04pm and 2.01 pm on November 13, said Mr Collendar, 47 aircraft flew over Weston Park and Cooldrinagh at a height of approximately 150ft over houses.

He was personally aware of several instances where house and car alarms of residents were set off due to low-flying aircraft and children were "very frightened" of low-flying aircraft.

John Maddock

Excuse my french and pun but they can take a flying **** to themselves!

If ANYONE was at 150ft over those houses they'd be in a go around straight off NOBODY would be that low nomatter how bad they are!! You pass over them at 500ft ish at lowest on the QNH and that is roughly 350ft give or take. How do they know the height of these aircraft anyhow??

[DeltaDev]

As a newbie here, I am encouraged by the support shown for Weston as a GA airfield. I have taken some flights from there and have spend many hours with the kids in the car asleep while I watch the planes fly in and out. I am also sickened to hear about political opportunism by Catherine Murphy. On another note; has skytrace pulled out of Weston. I see on their website that they have moved their base to Waterford. I took a few lessons from them last year and found them good. I also found NFC good. Hope this is not a sign of greater demise in Weston and that new owners (whoever they may be) can get it going again.

[xflyer]

How recent is that Leftbase? Obviously some November. It's almost laughable. Taken at face value it seems 47 separate aircraft arrived in a two hours flew very low over the unfortunate local residents causing terror among the children and setting off alarms all over the place.

It must have been quite a sight! And that's November, what must it be like in the Summer?

But this is the kind of nonsense that these people spit out. Amazingly it's gets taken seriously in some quarters.

Another example was where pilots were accused of deliberately flying low over people's houses in order to intimidate them. No doubt while laughing evilly, mu ha ha!

[LeftBase]

Originally Posted by xflyer

How recent is that Leftbase? Obviously some November. It's almost laughable. Taken at face value it seems 47 separate aircraft arrived in a two hours flew very low over the unfortunate local residents causing terror among the children and setting off alarms all over the place.

It must have been quite a sight! And that's November, what must it be like in the Summer?

But this is the kind of nonsense that these people spit out. Amazingly it's gets taken seriously in some quarters.

Another example was where pilots were accused of deliberately flying low over people's houses in order to intimidate them. No doubt while laughing evilly, mu ha ha!

It's a year or 2 old I think, but I'd imagine it still applies to these people.

A C152/172 landing at weston with low power setting wouldnt not make that much noise and would not set off alarms.

Dunno what it is with these kids, my friends and I would have loved a few low flying aircraft over our houses. The kids there must be a shower of cowards!

[bombs away]

Actually that particular article is from 2004 -

http://www.flyinginireland.com/forum....php?f=1&t=448

so not sure if that still applies.


That said I would appeal to everyone to e-mail the afformentioned TD to correct her on her errors some of which could be deemed as defamation against the facility and it's employee's due to their many inaccuracies.

[LeftBase]

Originally Posted by bombs away

Actually that particular article is from 2004 -

http://www.flyinginireland.com/forum....php?f=1&t=448

so not sure if that still applies.


That said I would appeal to everyone to e-mail the afformentioned TD to correct her on her errors some of which could be deemed as defamation against the facility and it's employee's due to their many inaccuracies.

Oh ok I see, didnt know it was that old!

Does anyone have a link to any of her actual stances/arguments?


Oh Here's some lies and falsehoods here! http://www.maynooth.org/?p=36136

[Quebec Delta Mike]

From before she became a TD, Ms Murphy has championed the cause against Weston. Her knowledge of aviation law or planning law applicable to Weston is being fed to her by vested interests, see her comment on "flouting the laws of the land" in the aforementioned article. She hasn't a clue really.

But her profile now is more worrying, as she can use her position to threaten the jobs and activities at Weston. She should NOT be let away with this abuse of power. So I support any email action suggested above. I suggest rational, and technical arguments be used against her campaign.

The 2004 article above is way out of date now, as things have moved on substantially. Since the upgrading to Class C airspace, and provision of full ATC services, there are no loopholes for errant pilots to get through in relation to noise abatement, these issues have all been adequately addressed and put to bed. So the argument of " excessive noise pollution" is totally false and spurious, the general public must be made aware of this.

Any further thoughts...?

QDM.

[LeftBase]

I emailed her addressing some of the issues she raised.

[xflyer]

I should also point out that the current Minister for Transport has taken an anti airfield stance too. You have to wonder about people being fit for the job.

Also Murphy is an independant which of course means she has very little influence other than to stir things locally.

One ironic point to make is that the antis objected to the proposal that the runway be re drawn so that the runway is centred on the paved area. This would have the result that approaching aircraft would be considerably higher in the vicinity of the houses. Not only that of take off to the east they would also be higher. So no more so called low flying.

This would answer a lot of the genuine fears among some residents. But naturally this was rejected because in reality the low flying allegations are simply part of a campaign to get the Weston closed permanently. That's what this is all about. If the so called noise and low flying issues were resolved to the satisfaction of people who have genuine issues, whether they be real or not. It would not suit the purposes of the organiser behind this campaign.

That's why being reasonable and bending over backwards to placate objectors never actually works.

[LeftBase]

Originally Posted by xflyer

I should also point out that the current Minister for Transport has taken an anti airfield stance too. You have to wonder about people being fit for the job.

Also Murphy is an independant which of course means she has very little influence other than to stir things locally.

One ironic point to make is that the antis objected to the proposal that the runway be re drawn so that the runway is centred on the paved area. This would have the result that approaching aircraft would be considerably higher in the vicinity of the houses. Not only that of take off to the east they would also be higher. So no more so called low flying.

This would answer a lot of the genuine fears among some residents. But naturally this was rejected because in reality the low flying allegations are simply part of a campaign to get the Weston closed permanently. That's what this is all about. If the so called noise and low flying issues were resolved to the satisfaction of people who have genuine issues, whether they be real or not. It would not suit the purposes of the organiser behind this campaign.

That's why being reasonable and bending over backwards to placate objectors never actually works.

I recently pulled into the housing estate to see what it was really like there. A few 152s a 172 and NFC's Twin went over and apart from a slight rumble from the Twin (quieter than the reverser noise within a 5 mile radius of DUB) I heard very little because....what I did hear was a constant drone from the N4....the 6 lane motorway just beside the estate was droning out the aircraft noise.....by far the noisiest thing in the area!

So much for "peaceful" neighborhoods..