[FewFew]

Has anyone else been reading the "National Manager Banned" thread in the on-site forums?

Pretty embarrassing, in my opinion it certainly reflects worse on the community than Greyhound's performance.

Just in case it kicks off here, let's be clear that personal abuse like that isn't tolerated on boards.

[Zagato]

Yeah, not a very mature discussion. Would be best if it finished I reckon

[daheff]

I know GH hasnt exactly covered himself in glory, but its gone way OTT. No need for some of the stuff thats going on.

some people need to grow up a bit. its a game, people play for fun. GH was elected NT manager for better or worse for the 2 year term (unless he resigns). The fact that people even went to the extent to try to get him removed is ridiculous. I could understand if he wasnt logging in and didnt bother picking teams...but he was.

Also people who have left the country to play in other countries SHOULDNT be involved. If they want to then they should stay in the country.

as i said elsewhere...leaves a very bad taste. It also looks bad on the community.

[FewFew]

Originally Posted by daheff

Also people who have left the country to play in other countries SHOULDNT be involved. If they want to then they should stay in the country.

That's actually a very good point... raises a few issues alright. When the Dutch went to The Netherlands BR, was their access removed from certain parts of the offsite?

When it was all kicking off, it actually did look like GH was trying to resign due to the feedback he was getting, but I'm pretty sure he was told there was no way to resign as one would do as a journo. Saw a post about it on his guestbook from one of the site admins. So, seems he doesn't like the situation more than anybody else.

[mar-z]

Originally Posted by daheff

Also people who have left the country to play in other countries SHOULDNT be involved. If they want to then they should stay in the country.

There are some of these managers still training Irish players so they should have a say.

If they have cut all ties then I agree the shouldn't get involved but if they are still putting some effort towards the Irish national team I think they have as much a right as any to say stuff.

But yeah, the fact that things have essentially reverted to namecalling is fairly embarassing and noone comes out of it looking good.

I can undestand a lot of the reaction as a number of people have put huge amounts of time into the national teams and see that Gh is barely trying by comparison. I actually took part in the early offsite arguings but having seen that nothing was going to change I've stopped caring about the senior NT until after Gh is gone. Others have decided to escalate things but the only difference it's made is for things to spill over onto the main site.

[eoferrall]

People had their reasons for leaving, which is fair enough but unless they are training players they should not be involved, even then I would say take a step back and only be involved re their player or if asked for advice.

Some of the most activity on that thread is from people who moved away.

I know when the dutch moved they where restrcited in the offsite from viewing the national team section.

He can't resign, so why kick up an almighty PUBLIC session of throwing toys out of pram. The community voted for him, and we have him until the end of this season. just get on with it.

This might serve to benefit the team in long run, as people will be more motivated to pitch in with new elected manager.

I think it all started with personailty clashes, and bitterness that he had never helped out and then got the job without knowing anyone.

[daheff]

Originally Posted by mar-z

There are some of these managers still training Irish players so they should have a say.

If they have cut all ties then I agree the shouldn't get involved but if they are still putting some effort towards the Irish national team I think they have as much a right as any to say stuff.

we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I trained a German U20 for the last u20 world cup. I didnt get any input into how the U20 team was run. It was kept for their community to have input.

Now I accept some people were involved before they left Ireland, but I feel that if you want to have a say in how the NT /U20s work, then you need to stay in the country. Otherwise you are an outsider training a player...and nothing more.

[seanand]

sorry

but in fairness most my posts were just taking the piss until he started slagging people pretty brutally. like what he siad to most to mouse was not fair and well clamps prob deserved most of it .

also im about 100% sure theres a resign button for nt manager because iv seen mid season elections for nt and u20 managers

[mar-z]

There is a resign option, he just doesn't want to.

The abuse on all sides just reminds me (although still to a lesser degree) of one of the main reasons I dislike online play in general.

[mar-z]

Originally Posted by daheff

we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I trained a German U20 for the last u20 world cup. I didnt get any input into how the U20 team was run. It was kept for their community to have input.

Now I accept some people were involved before they left Ireland, but I feel that if you want to have a say in how the NT /U20s work, then you need to stay in the country. Otherwise you are an outsider training a player...and nothing more.

Fair enough, I didn't mean they should have input/be able to view tactics and the like but I just think that if you have put so much resources into a player for the team you are entitled to be able to express an opinion on how it's been managed.

Anyway, agree to disagree as you say.

[FewFew]

Originally Posted by seanand

also im about 100% sure theres a resign button for nt manager because iv seen mid season elections for nt and u20 managers

Originally Posted by mar-z

There is a resign option, he just doesn't want to.

The abuse on all sides just reminds me (although still to a lesser degree) of one of the main reasons I dislike online play in general.

Yeah, I thought there must be some sort of option, but I followed a discussion between GH and an admin, where it looked like GH wanted to resign and the admin told him he'd just have to ride it out. Pretty sure it was done through guestbook comments.

In relation to all the personal abuse, they may be content to hide behind their anonymity, but as with on boards, they're still abusing/defaming a person and all it takes is for one person to take action.

I didn't want to bust out the "if you were a real journalist" line, but if Mouseonfire published his journo piece in a newspaper,well, he'd be up for a number of different sanctions.

Originally Posted by eoferrall

I know when the dutch moved they where restrcited in the offsite from viewing the national team section.

So there is a precedent. It should really be put into effect now too.

[seanand]

Originally Posted by Fewcifur

Yeah, I thought there must be some sort of option, but I followed a discussion between GH and an admin, where it looked like GH wanted to resign and the admin told him he'd just have to ride it out. Pretty sure it was done through guestbook comments.

it was with zt i remember reading it, it was more he was asking did we have a way of getting rid of him more than and zt saying no they just have to ride it out.
i hope he agree to the term ruck gave him to get back on the offsite and he behaves himself and takes advice. id be happy if he just took some advice from new assistant at least. i may not be in ireland anymore but i still take interest in the u20s and nat team and i hope they do well

[mar-z]

Originally Posted by Fewcifur

Yeah, I thought there must be some sort of option, but I followed a discussion between GH and an admin, where it looked like GH wanted to resign and the admin told him he'd just have to ride it out. Pretty sure it was done through guestbook comments.

I think that was him complaining about people trying to force hime to resign and he was told he would just have to ride it out (the abuse/forcing)

In relation to all the personal abuse, they may be content to hide behind their anonymity, but as with on boards, they're still abusing/defaming a person and all it takes is for one person to take action.

I didn't want to bust out the "if you were a real journalist" line, but if Mouseonfire published his journo piece in a newspaper,well, he'd be up for a number of different sanctions.

He is as bad at it though and while I'm sure some will say either he/they started it, it doesn't matter to me. I've never had patience with all that online stuff. Especially since its (supposed to be) a family game.

The only one I have a problem with (besides just annoyance at them) is Mouse using the journo position like that. Although he did delete it when he was called on it.

So there is a precedent. It should really be put into effect now too.

I think they are restricted like the Dutch on the offsite though. Don't think the former Irish based managers can post in the NT sections.

[eoferrall]

Seanand can you confirm you are restricted on the offiste?

[seanand]

Originally Posted by eoferrall

Seanand can you confirm you are restricted on the offiste?

yep i can confirm i am, only irish based managers can see all that stuff, some foreign based irish managers i.e thmush are restricted down to newb