[Musicmental85]

Originally Posted by gaeilgebeo

Not all of the non-permanent staff are on full hours.

That's more in line with what I imagined. Numbers falling is going to be a concern in my school too in a couple of years. I'm just hoping that it's not until I get a CID which is still a long way off

[lestat21]

Jeez whatever way you look at it, this can't be good for schools or the profession. I know teachers have been speculating what subjects they will have to teach nxt year. Some people think they could be thrown into classes they are not qualified to teach. Simply because they are permanent or CID and the allocation suggests qualified teachers might be in short supply for some subjects. I understand how career guidance and learning support are been catered for in my school but in the schools opinion it doesn't account for the very low allocation. Someone suggested the dept has put the decimal point in the wrong place

Thanks for your reply gaeilgebeo, I never considered how the retirement of post holders would affect the allocation. Any word on posts of responsibility been filled next year??

I know for a fact that the school population is going to stay the same or rise slightly next year, but this school still stands to lose approx 10 teachers.. Is there anyone here working in a schools which has seen a dramatic rise in student numbers? How does your allocation reflect this?

[gaeilgebeo]

Originally Posted by lestat21

Jeez whatever way you look at it, this can't be good for schools or the profession. I know teachers have been speculating what subjects they will have to teach nxt year. Some people think they could be thrown into classes they are not qualified to teach. Simply because they are permanent or CID and the allocation suggests qualified teachers might be in short supply for some subjects. I understand how career guidance and learning support are been catered for in my school but in the schools opinion it doesn't account for the very low allocation. Someone suggested the dept has put the decimal point in the wrong place

Thanks for your reply gaeilgebeo, I never considered how the retirement of post holders would affect the allocation. Any word on posts of responsibility been filled next year??

I know for a fact that the school population is going to stay the same or rise slightly next year, but this school still stands to lose approx 10 teachers.. Is there anyone here working in a schools which has seen a dramatic rise in student numbers? How does your allocation reflect this?

Our A Posts so far have not been filled due to the moratorium. The deputy principal is the 6th year year head!

Cutting two subjects from the Leaving Cert really affected the part-timers hours too.

The allocation for an academic year is always based on the previous years first year intake.

[linguist]

gaeilgebeo: I did not mean to cause personal offence by what I wrote. I apologise for how it came across to you, however frankly the need for the query I raised has been well borne out by the extra information you've provided. I referred to people being pessimistic...there's more than you in this discussion.

The currency in any conversation of this type is whole time equivalents not the number of actual people in the staffroom. Obviously the decline in enrollment you've outlined and the timetabling decisions stemming from it have been serious. I think you know well that no school that is stable on 540 should be down 4.6 teachers once the final allocation is in. That's what I meant, and your subsequent posts make it clear that there are many other factors at play.

What I think is important is that people are precise and responsible in the information they share here since this is a worrying time for many.

[gaeilgebeo]

Originally Posted by linguist

gaeilgebeo: I did not mean to cause personal offence by what I wrote. I apologise for how it came across to you, however frankly the need for the query I raised has been well borne out by the extra information you've provided. I referred to people being pessimistic...there's more than you in this discussion.

The currency in any conversation of this type is whole time equivalents not the number of actual people in the staffroom. Obviously the decline in enrollment you've outlined and the timetabling decisions stemming from it have been serious. I think you know well that no school that is stable on 540 should be down 4.6 teachers once the final allocation is in. That's what I meant, and your subsequent posts make it clear that there are many other factors at play.

What I think is important is that people are precise and responsible in the information they share here since this is a worrying time for many.

So for a school that is stable on 540, you don't think they could lose teachers as a result of cutbacks?

[Musicmental85]

I presume they mean that a 4.5 teacher cut of teachers on 22hrs would seem to be on the heavy side of budget cuts?

[linguist]

Obviously yes - and they will by virtue of the change to guidance which would cost them 0.7 of a teacher for starters.

Anyway, I clarified my position that I didn't mean to cause you offence. You appear set on taking a selective and rather strange interpretation of what I'm saying. If you'd like an argument here, you can have it with someone else. That's not why I'm here.

[gaeilgebeo]

Originally Posted by linguist

Obviously yes - and they will by virtue of the change to guidance which would cost them 0.7 of a teacher for starters.

Anyway, I clarified my position that I didn't mean to cause you offence. You appear set on taking a selective and rather strange interpretation of what I'm saying. If you'd like an argument here, you can have it with someone else. That's not why I'm here.

No I would not like an argument! Particularly on a Friday night. Funny
If you look back on my contributions to this thread, you will see that.
I appreciate that you did not mean to cause offence. Apologies that I did not state this.
I was merely asking a question in reference to a different part of your post.

[Musicmental85]

Can I just ask that if anyone gets confirmation on their hours for next year that they let the rest of us suffering know!

[bdoo]

Originally Posted by Musicmental85

Can I just ask that if anyone gets confirmation on their hours for next year that they let the rest of us suffering know!

Teachers in my school found out this week

[Musicmental85]

Ok so worth asking again then...

[linguist]

bdoo: Do you work in a state or a fee-paying school? If it's a state school, then can you confirm whether your principal has received their final allocation, because the point made by me and a number of other posters is that the final allocation hasn't come in yet, thus making it impossible for principals to timetable. Maybe different schools are getting their news at different times...

I'm perplexed as to how your principal could be giving people news given that redeployment is still ongoing. In a fee-paying school, of course, they could largely ignore all this and hire who they like. Please give us a few specifics if you can.

[Armelodie]

Originally Posted by linguist

bdoo: Do you work in a state or a fee-paying school? If it's a state school, then can you confirm whether your principal has received their final allocation, because the point made by me and a number of other posters is that the final allocation hasn't come in yet, thus making it impossible for principals to timetable. Maybe different schools are getting their news at different times...

I'm perplexed as to how your principal could be giving people news given that redeployment is still ongoing. In a fee-paying school, of course, they could largely ignore all this and hire who they like. Please give us a few specifics if you can.

open to correction here, but fee paying school s can also be over quota and subject to redeployment a they are also governed by the pupil teacher ratio albeit a different one. The extra teachers they hire are ' ex-quota' .

[linguist]

Absolutely true armelodie. However the fact remains that if they have the money and wish to do so, fee-paying schools can hire whoever they like. Looking at today's Sunday Independent, there are a couple of job ads (time was there would be lots by this stage in May) and in at least one of them it's clearly stated that filling positions is contingent on he approval of the Director of Redeployment.

[Musicmental85]

It's so ridiculously late. School is up in two weeks time and the hundreds of us on part time contracts don't even know if we'll be back next year. How are any of us supposed to have a life when we are sitting in this limbo. It's horribly disheartening.