[karaokeman]

So its less than a month before history is made and the Stone Roses are back on the touring scene to play all those great tunes, mainly from their first album.

Some of us are excited and getting ready to finally have a chance to see the four-piece (including myself) so I just thought I would start discussion.

What is everyone's thoughts on how that first album was such an influential record? I would argue without it there would have been no britpop movement and British guitar music would have been drastically different without that album being such a landmark record.

Blur and Suede released their debut albums in 1991 and 1993 respectively, and as good as they were, both bands carried on from what the Stone Roses brought.

[Suas11]

They're my favourite band and I never ever thought that I would ever get a chance to see them play live so I'm obviously very excited about this.

Anyway, I think they're debut album (along with The La's only album) were hugely influential on the britpop music of the 90's. I think Noel Gallagher even said that when he heard the Stone Roses he knew that he had to have a career in music. Also, Liam decided he wanted to be a frontman after going to a Roses' gig. So, you could kinda say that there might never have been an Oasis if it wasn't for the Roses.

[mosstin]

Originally Posted by karaokeman

So its less than a month before history is made and the Stone Roses are back on the touring scene to play all those great tunes, mainly from their first album.

Some of us are excited and getting ready to finally have a chance to see the four-piece (including myself) so I just thought I would start discussion.

What is everyone's thoughts on how that first album was such an influential record? I would argue without it there would have been no britpop movement and British guitar music would have been drastically different without that album being such a landmark record.

Blur and Suede released their debut albums in 1991 and 1993 respectively, and as good as they were, both bands carried on from what the Stone Roses brought.

I think the reason that it's made such an impact was because it pretty much launced a thousand bands in its wake. Given that the British music scene was relatively uninspiring at the time - a nascent MBV, underwhelming C86 scene to name but two - TSR was a breath of fresh air in terms of both ambition and being a bona fide pop gem.
That said the reunion is sad, given the vitality of the original line-up ("The past was yours but the future's mine") - the four of them down on their luck, looking for one more big payout before going their separate ways quietly in a year's time. Wonderful record, a once great band, should have left the legacy intact.

[karaokeman]

Originally Posted by mosstin

I think the reason that it's made such an impact was because it pretty much launced a thousand bands in its wake. Given that the British music scene was relatively uninspiring at the time - a nascent MBV, underwhelming C86 scene to name but two - TSR was a breath of fresh air in terms of both ambition and being a bona fide pop gem.

Pretty much agree with most of this, I assume by MBV you mean My Bloody Valentine, yeah?

Originally Posted by mosstin

That said the reunion is sad, given the vitality of the original line-up ("The past was yours but the future's mine") - the four of them down on their luck, looking for one more big payout before going their separate ways quietly in a year's time. Wonderful record, a once great band, should have left the legacy intact.

I'm not sure, they will be so quick to split again, there's a third album in the works so they will at least get that out after the tour and possibly do another world tour after to promote the album. Who knows, the new album could be quite good.

[Dotsey]

I'm more interested in the album than the tour. They only had one good album imo so it will be interesting to see if they can gel again after such a long period away.

I don't think there's many bands that have done it in the studio after such a long period away although I did like the The Verve's last album in 2008 but they were only away for 10 years not over 20

[Bodhidharma]

Making history is a tad strong, digging up the past would be more accurate. They are irrelevant now. No band can break up for that length of time and be anything other than a nostalgia act.

[ainm usaideoir]

I think its wrong to say the stone roses are irrelevant , the hype created by the bands re-forming only cemented the fact that their music never really went away , I am very much looking forward to the gig I only hope John Squire is on form ! Ian Browne is a front man with attitude but singing live isn't his strong point and Squire's guitar playing can make up for that . I actually think the second album was a good one , its very rare for any band to have a better second album and its also fair to mention the single releases either side of the debut album were classics in their own right ! . can't wait for the phoenix park gig , only downside is it's on a Thursday .

[nyarlothothep]

Yeah, I don't get all the hate for the second album either, it's pretty good, I hope they play some material off it at the gig.

[Batesy]

The Second Coming is pretty much the most mis-understood album of all time I reckon.

It's absolute quality and it's only downfall was that back in 94 people werent ready for it. It was definetly ahead of it's time.

The fact that Ian Brown was a bit miffed with the mixing of the record probably gave a lot of people a reason to hate it. A bit like, "if HE isn't really happy with it , it must be ****'

I've listened to it again recently from start to finish and it's a gem.

Starts off setting the mood, makes you think and then when you're just about ready the tunes kick in.

Any album with, Love Spreads, Tightrope, Good times, Ten Story Love Song, Tears, How Do You Sleep, Your Star Will Shine is alright in my book.

And thats 7 out of 12 tracks. The rest are still decent but fillers none the less.

Can't wait for the gig.

[Can'tseeme]

Agreed. The Second Coming is quality, never understood the negative press it got at the time. I'm hoping we hear several songs from the album at Phoenix Park.

[cloptrop]

I think so young was their best song and they try distance themselves from it now . It makes me feel they dont play it anymore.

[Suas11]

Originally Posted by cloptrop

I think so young was their best song and they try distance themselves from it now . It makes me feel they dont play it anymore.

You think So Young is better than I Am The Resurrection? To each their own, I guess.

[cloptrop]

Originally Posted by Suas11

You think So Young is better than I Am The Resurrection? To each their own, I guess.

Yeah Id think I wanna be adored , and fools gold are better than I am the ressurection too .
She bangs the drums , Sally Cinnamon .
Try not to take offence when your favourite song is not my favourite song , I think the happy mondays were alot better too , but lets not offend anyone.

[kippy]

I got introduced to this band in 98, first year in college.
Took me a while to get into some of the tunes but both albums, in my opinion, are up there with the best. Strangely enough I prefer The Second Coming and to this day it is still the only album I continue to listen to every now and again from start to finish.
I suppose the tunes remind me of those heady college days and indeed the experience of listening to a "new" (to me) band that I was blown away with. Indeed I remember some of the lads in the house were able to do some great renditions of the tunes on those albums.
Then I heard a recording of them live - boy, that was disappointing, mainly because Ian Brown didn't sound at all like he could sing (I doubt much has changed)
All that aside, they were the start of a major era in music and numerous bands have been inspired by them.

That being said, I always wanted to go to a gig but thought I would never have the chance, so getting that chance is great. Whatever happens in July, it will be memorable.

[Suas11]

Originally Posted by cloptrop

Yeah Id think I wanna be adored , and fools gold are better than I am the ressurection too .
She bangs the drums , Sally Cinnamon .
Try not to take offence when your favourite song is not my favourite song , I think the happy mondays were alot better too , but lets not offend anyone.

Ah, I wasn't offended lol. I was just surprised, that's all.